Only The Young - Depressing

[Red13JoePa]

Not his greatest vocal performance, no. But boy what I’d give to see him (w/them) perform even THIS well again.

True, I hope it happens just not in Journey.

[Rockindeano]

Another favorite is this switcheroo: "They hired a singer that sounded too close to perry (then)/he sounded nothing like perry."

Post of the day.

[Deb]

Nostalgia? Yes, up to a point - but it's that 'intangible' quality that separates the men from the boys and Perry will never lose it.

Damn, right on the money Matt!

[Matthew]

They have been held to Perry's standards much more than Perry has ever been held to his own.

Perry has never fallen below these standards, as far as I'm aware. But if he did start performing again and fell short..then yes, I'm sure many of us would excuse him in much the same way as you excuse his replacements, NMT.

[Matthew]

If I'm not mistaken Red you are a religious man. Are you telling me that the soul is just some waffly, vague concept that shouldn't be taken seriously? That soul isn't a crucial aspect of a vocalist's gift?

This would be a fairly (typically) arrogant analogy were it not for the fact that it's so comically desperate a reach.

Come again?

[Matthew]

Another favorite is this switcheroo: "They hired a singer that sounded too close to perry (then)/he sounded nothing like perry."

Post of the day.

High praise from the King of the Switcheroo.

[NoMoreTails]

If I'm not mistaken Red you are a religious man. Are you telling me that the soul is just some waffly, vague concept that shouldn't be taken seriously? That soul isn't a crucial aspect of a vocalist's gift? There are millions of singers out there who can squawk out the high notes. There's so much more to those 'standards' than that....

Is this an attempt at comedy? You're equating a person's eternal soul to singing with "soul"...so we're are to expect that R Kelly will be singing out front of the choir in heaved in spite of his exploitation of underage girls because he has "soul"?

[Rockindeano]

This is the ALL TIME stupidest thread.

Ask yourselves this...all of you.

Did Steve sound bad? Did he sound ok? Did he sound decent or even good?

He sounded live to me. That's all I want. I would take that over any Journey incarnation ever.

Then of course this has to dissolve into a Perry Loon obsession and all that shit.

Matthew, you are plain off the scale stupid.
Steveforever is a closet military loon
Sherrie is a spinning Loon

What in THE fuck are you Tards talking about?

[NoMoreTails]

Sorry 13, didn't mean to butt in on your comedy comment, was typing my post at the same time.
Matt, we were just thinking alike here, not the same person....

[Matthew]

If I'm not mistaken Red you are a religious man. Are you telling me that the soul is just some waffly, vague concept that shouldn't be taken seriously? That soul isn't a crucial aspect of a vocalist's gift? There are millions of singers out there who can squawk out the high notes. There's so much more to those 'standards' than that....

Is this an attempt at comedy? You're equating a person's eternal soul to singing with "soul"...so we're are to expect that R Kelly will be singing out front of the choir in heaved in spite of his exploitation of underage girls because he has "soul"?

Well, I'm actually an agnostic about the religious concept of the soul...but there's definitely something 'intangible' other than the emotion and the intellect...and music like any art form expresses this.

But no...I'm not talking about the "soul" the genre.

[Red13JoePa]

If I'm not mistaken Red you are a religious man. Are you telling me that the soul is just some waffly, vague concept that shouldn't be taken seriously? That soul isn't a crucial aspect of a vocalist's gift?

This would be a fairly (typically) arrogant analogy were it not for the fact that it's so comically desperate a reach.

Come again?

Comparing one's gift of eternal life given by God (soul) to the reason (soul) why an idolized singer's sub-par vocals are still better than Augeri/JSS' would be smug (but typical of a loon) if it wasn't just a laughable excuse.

[Matthew]

Sorry 13, didn't mean to butt in on your comedy comment, was typing my post at the same time.
Matt, we were just thinking alike here, not the same person....

[Deb]

The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back........ get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

Can't see that happening, he's done touring with Journey. Maybe a one off. I have no doubt he can still emote a song like he always has, but I would rather see Journey carry on with Jeff at this point and have Steve do something solo.

I accept that it won't happen and that JSS is doing a good job standing in...but I can't say I'd rather have the reality of things as they are now, Deb.

But Matt that IS the reality. There is no way Perry would be able to pull off the touring Journey does and sound like he did 20 years ago. I think Perry would be better suited vocally for a solo cd (and/or a few shows) then trying to kill himself vocally touring trying to sound like he did 20 years ago (being the perfectionist he is). As much as I would love to go back to the 80s the magic of Perry/Schon/Cain was a one time thing I don't think it could be duplicated again now. Red has a point, the expectations from most people would be way too high, and anything less he would be thoroughly trashed for. The man is not stupid he knew when to jump off the merry-go-round.

[frfksakes]

He sounded live to me. That's all I want. I would take that over any Journey incarnation ever.

Nail head

[Matthew]

If I'm not mistaken Red you are a religious man. Are you telling me that the soul is just some waffly, vague concept that shouldn't be taken seriously? That soul isn't a crucial aspect of a vocalist's gift?

This would be a fairly (typically) arrogant analogy were it not for the fact that it's so comically desperate a reach.

Come again?

Comparing one's gift of eternal life given by God (soul) to the reason (soul) why an idolized singer's sub-par vocals are still better than Augeri/JSS' would be smug (but typical of a loon) if it wasn't just a laughable excuse.

So are you saying that this "eternal gift" is utterly undetectable, Red? That it can't be sensed or expressed in any way?

Wow...maybe we're getting a little too deep here...

[NoMoreTails]

They have been held to Perry's standards much more than Perry has ever been held to his own.

Perry has never fallen below these standards, as far as I'm aware. But if he did start performing again and fell short..then yes, I'm sure many of us would excuse him in much the same way as you excuse his replacements, NMT.

I gave no excuses, I was satisfied with his replacements, I only stated that they were the ones held to his standards and at a older age than he.

[knox]

Dang it! I can't believe I started a "gay thread"

[Red13JoePa]

So are you saying that this "eternal gift" is utterly undetectable, Red? That it can't be sensed or expressed in any way?

Wow...maybe we're getting a little too deep here...

Quite the opposite...about as shallow an idea as I can think of.

Interesting you're agnostic but compared the soul of perrys singing to the soul of believers anyway. Doesn't that mean you either do believe in the christian interpretation of soul or don't believe perrys vox have it?

[ohsherrie]

[ The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

The cult thing, as you're doubtless aware, was flippant but eerily not far off the mark.

Collective? Collective?

Now you're about to piss me off. I'm not part of any collection or cult. I've never said I wanted Perry back in Journey. In fact I've said otherwise many times and statements like yours above is one of the reasons why. Why should he subject himself to that?

[wildone]

Heck bring him back for nastalgia sake!If he even had to tone it down just a bit who cares at least it would be real!,and not a wanna be group that they've turned out to be!Just a bunch of cheap filler now!

[Matthew]

This is the ALL TIME stupidest thread.

Ask yourselves this...all of you.

Did Steve sound bad? Did he sound ok? Did he sound decent or even good?

He sounded live to me. That's all I want. I would take that over any Journey incarnation ever.

Then of course this has to dissolve into a Perry Loon obsession and all that shit.

Matthew, you are plain off the scale stupid.
Steveforever is a closet military loon
Sherrie is a spinning Loon

What in THE fuck are you Tards talking about?

Yes, what ARE we thinking, Deono...we've wasted all this time talking about Journey when we COULD have been discussing some girlish fiddle band from Ireland.

[Matthew]

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But Matt that IS the reality. There is no way Perry would be able to pull off the touring Journey does and sound like he did 20 years ago. I think Perry would be better suited vocally for a solo cd (and/or a few shows) then trying to kill himself vocally touring trying to sound like he did 20 years ago (being the perfectionist he is). As much as I would love to go back to the 80s the magic of Perry/Schon/Cain was a one time thing I don't think it could be duplicated again now. Red has a point, the expectations from most people would be way too high, and anything less he would be thoroughly trashed for. The man is not stupid he knew when to jump off the merry-go-round.

Deb - I said I did accept the reality and I even enjoy the way things are up to a point...but if I'm honest...I couldn't care less about the live shows and would RATHER Perry, Schon and Cain burried the hatchet and got back in the studio. No, it won't happen but given the choice I'd choose a reunion...as indeed the vast majority of Journey fans would, don't you think?

[Matthew]

So are you saying that this "eternal gift" is utterly undetectable, Red? That it can't be sensed or expressed in any way?

Wow...maybe we're getting a little too deep here...

Quite the opposite...about as shallow an idea as I can think of.

Interesting you're agnostic but compared the soul of perrys singing to the soul of believers anyway. Doesn't that mean you either do believe in the christian interpretation of soul or don't believe perrys vox have it?

What is this "soul of the believers" you speak of, Red? And is the "soul" a purely Christian concept? I really don't think it is....

But I take your point that our discussion is now becoming totally absurd.

[wildone]

Dang it! I can't believe I started a "gay thread"

Is there something you need to get off your chest???Or maybe a door is locked you need help with ....lmao

[Red13JoePa]

I've never said I wanted Perry back in Journey. In fact I've said otherwise many times and statements like yours above is one of the reasons why. Why should he subject himself to that?

You didn't want him back in but don't acknowledge sa either. It's just odd that while you put one replacement down you extoll the virtues of JSS I can't figure it out and frankly it keeps me up at night.

We're getting clues, though, that it's b/c JSS sounds different enough.

[knox]

Dang it! I can't believe I started a "gay thread"

Is there something you need to get off your chest???Or maybe a door is locked you need help with ....lmao

Only if Tom Welling is holding the key

[ohsherrie]

This is the ALL TIME stupidest thread.

Ask yourselves this...all of you.

Did Steve sound bad? Did he sound ok? Did he sound decent or even good?

He sounded live to me. That's all I want. I would take that over any Journey incarnation ever.

Then of course this has to dissolve into a Perry Loon obsession and all that shit.

Matthew, you are plain off the scale stupid.
Steveforever is a closet military loon
Sherrie is a spinning Loon

What in THE fuck are you Tards talking about?

Yes, what ARE we thinking, Deono...we've wasted all this time talking about Journey when we COULD have been discussing some girlish fiddle band from Ireland.

I'll just spin along on my way now.

[Red13JoePa]

What is this "soul of the believers" you speak of, Red? And is the "soul" a purely Christian concept? I really don't think it is....

But I take your point that our discussion is now becoming totally absurd.

What the hell semantic hairs are you trying to split here?
If it's the "christian" thing that is bugging you, we can leave that out I really don't give a shit either way.

you don't believe in a person having soul in the religious concept, yet you do beleive perrys vox have it in the same context? I mean, you said it yourself, I didn't. I'm just trying to figure out how you can disavow it in the human religious definition yet affirm it in the form of a singer's vocals.

But if you insist on changing it into a theological debate and referendum on Christianity and other religions, deal me out.

[Matthew]

I mean, you said it yourself, I didn't. I'm just trying to figure out how you can disavow it in the human religious definition yet affirm it in the form of a singer's vocals.

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Actually...that's a good point, Red. I guess the part I have trouble with is the eternal bit....

[Red13JoePa]

I mean, you said it yourself, I didn't. I'm just trying to figure out how you can disavow it in the human religious definition yet affirm it in the form of a singer's vocals.

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Actually...that's a good point, Red. I guess the part I have trouble with is the eternal bit....

Not my territory at all. In Roman Catholicism where I am, it is a combination of blind faith buttressed by the Gospels (all of which have remarkably diverse, sometimes almost contradictory descriptions of many events).
DaveCT might be our man for those questions.

What a thread, btw. Only here.