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Zan wrote:Skates - are you forgetting who you're arguing with? Not worth the headache.
Skates wrote:Calling me a liberal is like calling you a right-winger. I don't think people should use abortion as birth control. I never have thought that and if you had asked instead of assume my feelings, you would have found that out. It's obvious that you have never had someone close to you have to make that decision, if you ever have, make sure you listen. It might surprise you.
The reason I brought up clinics is that it's religious extremism, on both ends. Muslims want to spread Islam around the world, Christians want all to live under the word of God. It's a crazy world we live in. Kind of a Grand Illusion.
LifeGiver wrote:Zan wrote:Skates - are you forgetting who you're arguing with? Not worth the headache.
That seems uncalled for. Is having a well informed debate not worth the headache? Nothing unAmerican about that! Sorry that I don't think you should kill babies.

LifeGiver wrote:Zan wrote:Skates - are you forgetting who you're arguing with? Not worth the headache.
That seems uncalled for. Is having a well informed debate not worth the headache? Nothing unAmerican about that! Sorry that I don't think you should kill babies.
-Shane
gr8dane wrote:LifeGiver wrote:Zan wrote:Skates - are you forgetting who you're arguing with? Not worth the headache.
That seems uncalled for. Is having a well informed debate not worth the headache? Nothing unAmerican about that! Sorry that I don't think you should kill babies.
-Shane
Aweiite.I was not gonna partake in this but what the hey.
Lifegiver.Let's say your wife got raped,got pregnant and gave birth to a wonderful kid who's actual dad,not you,was a psycho,you would embrace this bundle of joy as your own???
Maybe you wanna adobt 8, what the hell ,why not 10 unwanted kids who's life is what you wanna fight for,and if that is the case,the ,more the marrier right?
By the way,you must be a vegetarian,.......?
LifeGiver wrote:Skates wrote:Calling me a liberal is like calling you a right-winger. I don't think people should use abortion as birth control. I never have thought that and if you had asked instead of assume my feelings, you would have found that out. It's obvious that you have never had someone close to you have to make that decision, if you ever have, make sure you listen. It might surprise you.
The reason I brought up clinics is that it's religious extremism, on both ends. Muslims want to spread Islam around the world, Christians want all to live under the word of God. It's a crazy world we live in. Kind of a Grand Illusion.
You can call me a "right-winger" all you want. I'll wear the mantle with pride. While you're at it, you should probably call Tommy Shaw and Ted Nugent the same thing because I think we are on the same page on a lot of the issues.
I've also not had someone close to me have to "make the choice" to kill a post-birth child - I still would know it was wrong.
If you are calling me a religious extremist, I think you are wrong. I would never advocate terrorism in the name of religion.
-Shane
LifeGiver wrote:gr8dane wrote:LifeGiver wrote:Zan wrote:Skates - are you forgetting who you're arguing with? Not worth the headache.
That seems uncalled for. Is having a well informed debate not worth the headache? Nothing unAmerican about that! Sorry that I don't think you should kill babies.
-Shane
Aweiite.I was not gonna partake in this but what the hey.
Lifegiver.Let's say your wife got raped,got pregnant and gave birth to a wonderful kid who's actual dad,not you,was a psycho,you would embrace this bundle of joy as your own???
Maybe you wanna adobt 8, what the hell ,why not 10 unwanted kids who's life is what you wanna fight for,and if that is the case,the ,more the marrier right?
By the way,you must be a vegetarian,.......?
If I was married to someone who got raped and got pregnant, I would know (through my faith) that this baby had a purpose no matter who its father was. Its not the baby's fault that the rape occured. It should not have to pay the price.
As far as being a vegetarian - surely you aren't equating the life of an animal with the life of a baby. A human child is a gift from god. An animal is god's gift to us - as food. Surely you aren't going to get all greepeace, are you. Animals are here for US. We are the ones created in "his own image".
-Shane
PS - "Vegetarian" is an old indian word for "bad hunter". ROTFLMAO!!
DarwinNebraska wrote:Tommy Shaw would *not* be very happy with you, Shane.
LifeGiver wrote:DarwinNebraska wrote:Tommy Shaw would *not* be very happy with you, Shane.
It doesn't seem like someone who hates Tommy Shaw like you do would know ANYTHING about what he would think. Are you saying he's an abortionist liberal like most of you?
I think the evidence is against that. In anycase, this whole discussion is starting to upset me to the point of having little panic attacks. I am not going to participate in this evil discussion about killing BABIES (and fetuses ARE babies) anymore.

Zan wrote:This "evil discussion" was about JY (like everything else around here) until YOU made it about abortion. Some people here have humored you because we believe you are only here to stir the pot and get feathers ruffled. If that is the case, perhaps you succeeded in doing so, but you should seek professional help.
You know, I think I feel a song coming on...
styxfansite wrote:How many in here think abortion is ok? If you say it is, I promise I want hunt you down.Remember, a vote for the bitch, I mean Hillary also means you like abortion as well. Most of the democratic candidates are pro-choice, which in other words is death for unborn's if they choose.
LifeGiver wrote:styxfansite wrote:How many in here think abortion is ok? If you say it is, I promise I want hunt you down.Remember, a vote for the bitch, I mean Hillary also means you like abortion as well. Most of the democratic candidates are pro-choice, which in other words is death for unborn's if they choose.
There is the example of me stirring up the pot by bringing up abortion. Oh wait, that wasn't me. Perhaps you are yelling at the wrong person?
-Shane

LifeGiver wrote:Zan wrote:This "evil discussion" was about JY (like everything else around here) until YOU made it about abortion. Some people here have humored you because we believe you are only here to stir the pot and get feathers ruffled. If that is the case, perhaps you succeeded in doing so, but you should seek professional help.
You know, I think I feel a song coming on...
If you check the thread - it was not me who made this conversation about abortion. I actually held out as long as I could. Why don't you read through the thread before you make accusations like this. I didn't even bring up politics until someone said "Hey Shane, Bush sucks" which had NOTHING to do with what I had originally posted. Abortion was brought up some time after that - and not by me. This is typical though. It was DEFINITELY the conservative who stirred the pot - even though it was all of you who brought it up. Its okay - I'm used to getting accused of all sorts of things for not being "politically correct".
I think its funny that the "some people" you refer to think that I am here to "stir the pot" becuase I have cited reasonable conservative beliefs in RESPONSE to other people - yet the guy who started that "Hey George Bush" thread is NOT seen as stirring the pot. A slant perhaps? .

yogi wrote:LifeGiver,
I read your bio.
People actually entrust you with their children???
Again, I believe you are here just for kicks. 99.9% of what you post is bullshit.
Pizza Parties, Bridget fuc....ing Jones movies, and a church youth director.
You are bent!
I believe it was Chuck that spoke of you in his book.

yogi wrote:LifeGiver,
I read your bio.
People actually entrust you with their children???
Again, I believe you are here just for kicks. 99.9% of what you post is bullshit.
Pizza Parties, Bridget fuc....ing Jones movies, and a church youth director.
You are bent!
I believe it was Chuck that spoke of you in his book.
LifeGiver wrote:yogi wrote:LifeGiver,
I read your bio.
People actually entrust you with their children???
Again, I believe you are here just for kicks. 99.9% of what you post is bullshit.
Pizza Parties, Bridget fuc....ing Jones movies, and a church youth director.
You are bent!
I believe it was Chuck that spoke of you in his book.
I think it proves something how quick some of you are to gang up on me for my religious and political beliefs. It kinda makes you think that mayb I'm right about you being unAmerican.
Not that it is any of your business but I was a youth minister for many years. I was very good at it and parents and children liked and respected me. I have been dealing with depression and agoraphobia for a while and haven't been able to do what I used to do. Eventually, I will be back doing what I love.
Why have so many of you been unwelcoming? Because I like the president? Because I have deep religious convictions? Why pick on me for my taste in movies? No one else likes Bridget Jones movies? If I like Bridget Jones that makes me a queer?
-Shane
Rockwriter wrote: I bet I speak for the majority here in saying that if you would stop posting Christian and political diatribes, you'd stop getting a hard time for it. Deal?
I actually liked the first Bridgest Jones movie, by the way, and thought the second one was not so good.
Sterling
Skates wrote:Post birth it is murder.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama

Zan wrote:LifeGiver wrote:Zan wrote:Skates - are you forgetting who you're arguing with? Not worth the headache.
That seems uncalled for. Is having a well informed debate not worth the headache? Nothing unAmerican about that! Sorry that I don't think you should kill babies.
You mean "fetuses." Actually, that has nothing to do with what I posted.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama

RaiderFan wrote:Zan wrote:LifeGiver wrote:Zan wrote:Skates - are you forgetting who you're arguing with? Not worth the headache.
That seems uncalled for. Is having a well informed debate not worth the headache? Nothing unAmerican about that! Sorry that I don't think you should kill babies.
You mean "fetuses." Actually, that has nothing to do with what I posted.
Yeah same thing. Also the same as when they were called, "a mass or blob of cells" years ago before ultrasound became widely available.
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