OT: Puppy Killer responds to outrage

[MJM1959]

And you HAVEN'T done anything else then have you? Except sitting on a computer....

Go buy another flag lapel pin. Maybe another bumper sticker. You will feel better about yourself.

Don't worry. I'll get with Ang and we'll figure out something to bash our troops about. Does that make YOU fell better?

You call it bashing. I call it holding someone accountable for actions that are detrimental the the image of the Marine Corps and the military. Maybe we should take it a step further and give the Marine that is facing rape charges in Okinawa a free pass. Or the one that is hiding out in Mexico because he killed a fellow Marine who was pregnant with his child. I hate to bust your bubble. But not all the troops are heroic or even respectable. The vast majority are. It is the assholes that make the rest of them look bad. Rape, murder and even puppy tossing are an insult to every servicemember who makes the choice to serve with pride and dignity. If you cannot understand that, I suggest going down to see your local recruiter and donate a few years of your life to something besides faux patriotism.

[MJM1959]

FYI.
The Frozen Chosin.
http://www.homeofheroes.com/brotherhood/chosin.html
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/chosin/

[RedWingFan]

Maybe we should take it a step further and give the Marine that is facing rape charges in Okinawa a free pass. Or the one that is hiding out in Mexico because he killed a fellow Marine who was pregnant with his child. I hate to bust your bubble.

Rape and murder of people = dead puppy?????

But not all the troops are heroic or even respectable.

Okay now name me one profession where ALL are heroic or respectable. They're only fucking human, which is what Carl's point was.

If you cannot understand that, I suggest going down to see your local recruiter and donate a few years of your life to something besides faux patriotism.

Why is defending ANY of our troops "faux patriotism". Listen here Mr. Murtha, I won't let you redefine patriotism as bashing our military. And the fact that you try to shut Angie or anyone else up by playing the, "Did you serve" card, is just your weak way of trying to shut people up. It's weak and it's lame.
The military's job is to kill people and break things. Not meals on wheels like some would hope. Get over it.

[SteveForever]

The military's job is to kill people and break things. Not meals on wheels like some would hope. Get over it.

Dude, come on, I know you are being sarcastic. Please...think about your words=keep in mind you are my
friend and I love you, but...

the military's job is to 1. defend the Constitution of the United States of America
and 2. support the "National Military Strategy" and to follow the directions and be subservient to
civilian national government. The goal of the military is to be prepared for whatever our govt. says
is a priority=killing this dog is not a priority. It was wrong, period.

[MJM1959]

Maybe we should take it a step further and give the Marine that is facing rape charges in Okinawa a free pass. Or the one that is hiding out in Mexico because he killed a fellow Marine who was pregnant with his child. I hate to bust your bubble.

Rape and murder of people = dead puppy?????

But not all the troops are heroic or even respectable.

Okay now name me one profession where ALL are heroic or respectable. They're only fucking human, which is what Carl's point was.

If you cannot understand that, I suggest going down to see your local recruiter and donate a few years of your life to something besides faux patriotism.

Why is defending ANY of our troops "faux patriotism". Listen here Mr. Murtha, I won't let you redefine patriotism as bashing our military. And the fact that you try to shut Angie or anyone else up by playing the, "Did you serve" card, is just your weak way of trying to shut people up. It's weak and it's lame.
The military's job is to kill people and break things. Not meals on wheels like some would hope. Get over it.

What is weak and lame are people who mouth off about something that they have absolutely no working knowledge of. But, you do it well.

Tell me. What do YOU consider "Supporting The Troops?" Because all I am hearing is lip service. Typical Chickenhawk bullshit. I want you to tell me what have you contributed. Has your wife's cousin come home from Iraq in a box? Is your nephew enlisting in the Navy as a Navy Special Warfare Combatant? Have you even contributed to the USO? Do you contribute to Navy Relief? Have you invited service members into your home for a holiday meal when they could not go home? Have you set up a program in your military command that gives returning Navy Individual Augmentee members a welcome home gift bag afther they return from Iraq/Afghanistan? Excuse me you paper patriot, but I have!

Again, until you do something but flap your pie hole I suggest you shut the fuck up. Because it is painfully obvious that you and Angie do not know DICK about what you are talking about!

[RedWingFan]

Maybe we should take it a step further and give the Marine that is facing rape charges in Okinawa a free pass. Or the one that is hiding out in Mexico because he killed a fellow Marine who was pregnant with his child. I hate to bust your bubble.

Rape and murder of people = dead puppy?????

But not all the troops are heroic or even respectable.

Okay now name me one profession where ALL are heroic or respectable. They're only fucking human, which is what Carl's point was.

If you cannot understand that, I suggest going down to see your local recruiter and donate a few years of your life to something besides faux patriotism.

Why is defending ANY of our troops "faux patriotism". Listen here Mr. Murtha, I won't let you redefine patriotism as bashing our military. And the fact that you try to shut Angie or anyone else up by playing the, "Did you serve" card, is just your weak way of trying to shut people up. It's weak and it's lame.
The military's job is to kill people and break things. Not meals on wheels like some would hope. Get over it.

What is weak and lame are people who mouth off about something that they have absolutely no working knowledge of. But, you do it well.

Tell me. What do YOU consider "Supporting The Troops?" Because all I am hearing is lip service. Typical Chickenhawk bullshit. I want you to tell me what have you contributed. Has your wife's cousin come home from Iraq in a box? Is your nephew enlisting in the Navy as a Navy Special Warfare Combatant? Have you even contributed to the USO? Do you contribute to Navy Relief? Have you invited service members into your home for a holiday meal when they could not go home? Have you set up a program in your military command that gives returning Navy Individual Augmentee members a welcome home gift bag afther they return from Iraq/Afghanistan? Excuse me you paper patriot, but I have!

Again, until you do something but flap your pie hole I suggest you shut the fuck up. Because it is painfully obvious that you and Angie do not know DICK about what you are talking about!

Yeah, neither does Carl. He wasn't really there. All you relatives are just murdering pigs too. What are you bragging about that for?

[MJM1959]

The REAL problem in these instances isn’t necessarily the individual. It is the System. The Gov’t has failed its military members. The military leaders have failed their members. They can train you on all kinds of things before you go into combat. But they cannot train you on how to properly cope with or react to traumatic and stressful events/environments. What you can watch in these videos is nothing compared to what is happening on the home-front.

Specifically in the Army and Marines, rates for post-deployment Suicides, Murders, Divorces, Abuse and Sexual Assault have reached record proportions. The Gov’t has put these men & women in this hostile environment without any idea on how to handle the effects it is having on the troops. Does it surprise anyone that some disturbing things are happening over there? Should ALL of these folks be hung out to dry, discharged and sent to prison? Sure, I will concede that there are some cases of the individual being a flat-out psycho path. But what about the guy or gal that just doesn’t know how to cope with what they have seen? What about the guy or gal that has been so traumatized that they’ve lost a slight grip of their emotions and reality? Shouldn’t we be more concerned about having proper help in place for them? Shouldn’t the focus be on getting these folks the help they need instead of crying for their heads on a platter and destroying their lives and careers?

This is why I do not agree with most of you in this thread. You want to call him names, kick his ass, throw him in jail, toss him in a gully… Ever think he just might be one hell of a Marine that made a bad decision while he was under a bit of stress for 12-18 months in a hostile environment? Have you considered that this hostile environment really traumatized him, fucked him up in the head and he probably needs some help? He won’t say it; how many guys, especially Marines, like to admit weakness?

…

Dude, I gotta agree with you 150% on this. The government is using these people and are hanging them out to dry once they are done with them

And I do not want this Marine should be used to the grease tank treads. I want him held accountable for what I and a lot of people believe is conduct unbecoming a Marine. For all I care that can be 45 & 45, $250 for two. I am not prepared to give him a free ride.

[MJM1959]

Maybe we should take it a step further and give the Marine that is facing rape charges in Okinawa a free pass. Or the one that is hiding out in Mexico because he killed a fellow Marine who was pregnant with his child. I hate to bust your bubble.

Rape and murder of people = dead puppy?????

But not all the troops are heroic or even respectable.

Okay now name me one profession where ALL are heroic or respectable. They're only fucking human, which is what Carl's point was.

If you cannot understand that, I suggest going down to see your local recruiter and donate a few years of your life to something besides faux patriotism.

Why is defending ANY of our troops "faux patriotism". Listen here Mr. Murtha, I won't let you redefine patriotism as bashing our military. And the fact that you try to shut Angie or anyone else up by playing the, "Did you serve" card, is just your weak way of trying to shut people up. It's weak and it's lame.
The military's job is to kill people and break things. Not meals on wheels like some would hope. Get over it.

What is weak and lame are people who mouth off about something that they have absolutely no working knowledge of. But, you do it well.

Tell me. What do YOU consider "Supporting The Troops?" Because all I am hearing is lip service. Typical Chickenhawk bullshit. I want you to tell me what have you contributed. Has your wife's cousin come home from Iraq in a box? Is your nephew enlisting in the Navy as a Navy Special Warfare Combatant? Have you even contributed to the USO? Do you contribute to Navy Relief? Have you invited service members into your home for a holiday meal when they could not go home? Have you set up a program in your military command that gives returning Navy Individual Augmentee members a welcome home gift bag afther they return from Iraq/Afghanistan? Excuse me you paper patriot, but I have!

Again, until you do something but flap your pie hole I suggest you shut the fuck up. Because it is painfully obvious that you and Angie do not know DICK about what you are talking about!

Yeah, neither does Carl. He wasn't really there. All you relatives are just murdering pigs too. What are you bragging about that for?

Was I talking to him? Do I care about him? No. I have a number of people I work with every day who have been there. He is not the all knowing, all seeing OZ when it comes to Iraq. His is not the only opinion that matters.

I was asking YOU a couple of direct questions and true to form you divert attention away from yourself and your lame right wing talking points.

And who the fuck was talking about murdering pigs? Were you born this stupid or have you been working on it? Go listen to Rush Limpballs and come back when you have some new material.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Dude, I gotta agree with you 150% on this. The government is using these people and are hanging them out to dry once they are done with them

And I do not want this Marine used to grease the tank treads. I want him held accountable for what I and a lot of people believe is conduct unbecoming a Marine. For all I care that can be 45 & 45, $250 for two. I am not prepared to give him a free ride.

Wow, look at that.
We BOTH set aside some of our Macho Bravado and
can actually agree on something

That is part of the whole point I have been trying to make.
He was wrong, we agree.
Should he be punished? Sure, we agree.
But the overall sentiment goes FAR BEYOND your suggestions.
People are rallying to have this guy discharged and sentenced.
And if this gains enuff steam because of the internet and threads like this,
you know as well as I do that the Marine Corps will have no choice but
to come down as hard as possible on this guy, making him the example.
They will throw him to the wolves (the general public that is going nuts
over this event) and toss him aside.
And to me, that is unfair.

[RedWingFan]

Was I talking to him? Do I care about him? No. I have a number of people I work with every day who have been there. He is not the all knowing, all seeing OZ when it comes to Iraq.

As far as I'm concerned, on this board he is. He is the only one I'm aware of who posts here regularly.

I have a number of people I work with every day who have been there.

Have you served in Iraq during this conflict? NO. All you have are second or third hand accounts. Excuse me if I take Carl's word with a few more grains of sand (which he just finished emptying from his boots)

Still waiting for the list of numerous "heroic and respectable" professions where there is absolutely Zero wrongdoing in.

[Angiekay]

And you HAVEN'T done anything else then have you? Except sitting on a computer....

Go buy another flag lapel pin. Maybe another bumper sticker. You will feel better about yourself.

To tell you the truth, when it comes to political shit and the war I'm pretty apathetic and people like YOU are the reason why. Good job.

Maybe I should worry more about stupid puppies to give someone like you something to bitch about.

[RedWingFan]

He was wrong, we agree.
Should he be punished? Sure, we agree.

By some posters in this thread I could have sworn you said you thought it was hilarious and glad to see the guy having a good time there.

[Carlitto H@kk]

He was wrong, we agree.
Should he be punished? Sure, we agree.

By some posters in this thread I could have sworn you said you thought it was hilarious and glad to see the guy having a good time there.

I know
At least Mr. Navy here can talk about this rationally and intelligently
with me instead of telling me how cruel, un-empathetic and sadistic I am...
One poster, Pinkvelvet (another alias for S.????), is hoping the wife and I never
get a dog of our own because of my opinions

This was my response:

And I am gonna get a dog.
My faves are Boxers and Weimeramers (sp?).
But my wife likes the little lap dogs like Yorkies.

Oh no...
Maybe when I share this fun thread tonight she will change her mind!!!
She might be affraid I'd chuck that little Yorkie in the
road one day for peeing on my carpets!!!
Hell, she might not ever leave me alone
w/ my daughters again!!! Especially the 9-month old...
I could probably chuck her a good 20-25 yards

Laughable

[pinkvelvet]

this guy's gonna get beat up when he leaves his house. Check out this myspace page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =216791690

[Carlitto H@kk]

:D this guy's gonna get beat up when he leaves his house. Check out this myspace page

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... =216791690

Any chance of "copying & pasting" any of this info???
It sounds so intriguing but I can't get to that site
from my present location...

[Journey/Survivor]

Jesus....if you whining humanitarian wannabes would actually take this lame effort for a dog and apply it to true causes like poverty, homelessness, sick kids or any of the other actual worthwhile causes in this country, I might want to listen to your pathetic rantings. Right now you all sound like a bunch of ingrateful babies to a man who is fighting for your asses to whine on a message board. If I was him, I'd pick a number of you to throw off a cliff.

Keep in mind that I have a shit load of relatives who were/are military men, and for the record I get along good with them.

But let's make this absolutely perfectly clear....

The soldiers that are fighting in Iraq right now are NOT fighting for OUR freedom.

Bush senior started a war in Iraq over oil and oil only. Then his son started another war in Iraq over oil and because of a personal vendetta. I'm sick of all the lying shit that says that it's about the safety of America. If anything this war is only making other countries hate us Americans even more and making it more dangerous for us. Now to be fair, the soldiers have been sent over there because of Bush, not that they themselves started this war, so I don't intend for this to sound like I'm blaming American soldiers for this war. But bottom-line, this war is not to protect America.

[Journey/Survivor]

Hey Dr. Genius! What have you done for your country? What sacrifices have you made? Until you can say something, anything, just shut the fuck up! I was in boot camp 30 years ago. Where were you? I have worked with the Navy everyday since February 15, 1978. Your contribution has been exactly what???

I can tell you were I HAVEN"T been...sitting on a computer blasting ONE OF MY OWN for a momentary lapse of judgement.


MY contribution...putting up with asshole, know it alls like YOU...sorry to disturb you... GOD.

A momentary lapse of judgment is something done in the moment. It's not taking the time to tie up a puppy, have your buddy video tape you holding the puppy and throwing it over a cliff and laughing about it, and then a year later going off on people who criticize him for it. What he did was bad enough to put it mildly, but then all this time later to try to defend what he did and to tell people to fucking get over it, just shows what a nut-job this asshole is. It wasn't just some momentary lapse of judgment.

[pinkvelvet]

Jesus....if you whining humanitarian wannabes would actually take this lame effort for a dog and apply it to true causes like poverty, homelessness, sick kids or any of the other actual worthwhile causes in this country, I might want to listen to your pathetic rantings. Right now you all sound like a bunch of ingrateful babies to a man who is fighting for your asses to whine on a message board. If I was him, I'd pick a number of you to throw off a cliff.

Nobody is forcing you to listen to our so called "pathetic rantings" you chose to click into this thread, read, and replied to it. Majority of the people out there actually do feel compassion when they saw that little puppy being thrown off the cliff. Any normal human being would feel bad. Theres just a few like u who chose to think animal abuse is ok, as long as the person doing it is wearing a military uniform.

[StoneCold]

Found this on the myspace that was linked above. One funny thing from this stupid event.



"You'll be sorry Motari!" it said.


But I'm gonna ask Andrew to lock, close or delete this thread. Nothing more needs said on either side of it.

[odessa]

As an animal lover, there really isn't anything I can add to the discussion that hasn't already been said. I did however, feel it appropriate to post a different story about another Marine also stationed in Iraq and how he handled the situation with a stray dog he found. The interesting thing is that not only did he take care of the dog, but his unit assisted him.

So here we have a case of 2 men, both in the Armed forces, both in Iraq and both facing the same risks. One decides to take a puppy's life for sport, records it, jokes about it and seems to be having a good time. The other Marine saves a war ravaged dog with the help of his unit.

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Dog rescued by Marine in Iraq heading to Calif.

Associated Press

SAN DIEGO _ It began with a simple act of kindness to save an abused, injured dog from becoming one more victim in the Iraq war.

But what followed for Marine Maj. Brian Dennis and the mutt was a tale of friendship and loyalty that spanned miles and overcame long odds — one set to take a turn Friday with the anticipated arrival here of the Marine's best friend.

"This dog who had been through a lifetime of fighting, war, abuse ... is going to live the good life," Dennis told his family in an e-mail from Iraq.

The tale unfolded in October, a few months after Dennis deployed to Iraq from San Diego to work as part of the military team building infrastructure along the Syria-Iraq border and training Iraqi forces to take over.

Dennis, 36, of St. Pete Beach, Fla., had volunteered for the assignment. It was a departure from his role as a fighter pilot. He had seen the country from the air, but it was different on the ground.

Dennis wrote stories home about the reciprocal relationship that desert dogs, strays wandering outside border towns, had with Iraqis.

"The dogs get to eat the Iraqi scraps and have a home in the middle of the desert," he wrote in an e-mail. "The Iraqis get an incredible early warning system; these dogs hear anything approaching from miles away and go nuts and scramble to defend their territory."

While on patrol in the Anbar province, Dennis spotted what appeared to be a gray and white, male German shepherd-border collie mix. He named the dog Nubs after learning someone cut the ears off believing it would make the dog more aggressive and alert.

Within weeks, Nubs was greeting Dennis during routine patrol stops along border communities. The Marines fed him bits of their food and by November, the Marine and his unit were keeping an eye out for the dog, which routinely chased their Humvees when they departed.

Life on the run, however, was taking a toll on the dog. He had lost a tooth and been bitten in the neck. In late December, Dennis found Nubs near death in freezing temperatures. The dog had been stabbed with a screwdriver.

Dennis rubbed antibiotic creme on the wound and slept with Nubs to keep him warm.

"I really expected when I woke up for watch he would be dead," Dennis wrote. "Somehow he made it through the night."

Dennis thought he had seen the last of the dog days later when his squad headed back to its command post some 65 miles away. He couldn't take the dog with him and watched as it tried to follow the Humvees away from the border.

Two days later, while Dennis and a comrade were working on a Humvee, he looked up and saw the dog staring at him.

"Somehow that crazy damned dog tracked us," he wrote Jan. 9.

But the reunion was short lived. Military policy prohibits having pets in war zones, and Dennis was given four days to get the dog off the base or kill him.

The decision was easy: Nubs was going to San Diego. The logistics, though, were anything but easy.

With help from his Iraqi interpreter, Dennis managed to find a Jordanian veterinarian to get the care and paperwork needed to get the dog to the states. He also negotiated the red tape to get Nubs across the border into Jordan.

His family and close friends helped raise the $3,500 needed to get the dog from Amman, Jordan, to San Diego, said his mother, Marsha Cargo.

"I just can't believe it. Out there in the middle of nowhere these two find each other," Cargo said.

A colleague in San Diego agreed to care for the dog and have it trained until Dennis returns in March from Iraq.

"We anticipate a real steep learning curve for Nubs," Capt. Eric Sjoberg said. "We want him to learn to just be a dog."

For now, though, Dennis will settle for the knowledge that Nubs is finally safe — and waiting for his master to follow him.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2 ... ing-calif/

[StoneCold]

[Angiekay]

Theres just a few like u who chose to think animal abuse is ok, as long as the person doing it is wearing a military uniform.

Please show me where I said it was "okay" to abuse an animal. I never said that. What I DO have a problem with is the bleeding hearts putting the life and career of a man over the life of a diseased dog.

Big difference, sweetheart.

And if YOU don't like what I have to say, you can skip over it.

[pinkvelvet]

Theres just a few like u who chose to think animal abuse is ok, as long as the person doing it is wearing a military uniform.

Please show me where I said it was "okay" to abuse an animal. I never said that. What I DO have a problem with is the bleeding hearts putting the life and career of a man over the life of a diseased dog.

Big difference, sweetheart.

And if YOU don't like what I have to say, you can skip over it.

He deserves everything thats coming to him. He brought it upon himself. And if you dont feel like listening to us "whining" about it (on which any normal human being agree that this guy is totally whacko for what he did) then you can skip reading this thread as well, because you are one of the very few.

[odessa]

By STEVE KORNACKI, The Tampa Tribune

Published: February 23, 2008

Updated: 02/23/2008 12:14 am

Nubs has a new home.

The frozen, war-ravaged desert and ruins of Iraq are in the past for this dog. The German shepherd-border collie mix that was rescued and nursed back to health by Marine Maj. Brian Dennis and his men arrived in Chicago on Wednesday on a Royal Jordanian Airlines flight. Nubs flew out again Friday on an American Airlines jet, landing in the afternoon at San Diego's Lindbergh Field before heading to his new address.

"I'm just glad he is safe and going to get to enjoy life without worrying about freezing, being abused or killed," Dennis said Friday in an e-mail to The Tampa Tribune. "He is a great dog and deserves a better life."

Dennis, raised in St. Petersburg, discovered Nubs in the ruins of a fort near the Syrian border. The dog's ears had been clipped by an Iraqi, hence his name. Nubs later was stabbed in the side with a screwdriver by an Iraqi border police officer and left to die. Dennis wouldn't let that happen. He rubbed Neosporin on the wound and kept the dog warm on an 18-degree night by sleeping next to him.

Nubs recovered, but had to be left behind when Dennis and Border Transition Team 3/5/2 temporarily relocated their combat outpost 70 miles away in the al-Anbar province. Two days later, however, unit and dog were unexpectedly reunited. Nubs had tracked his friends across the freezing, barren terrain.

They built a doghouse and hoped to keep Nubs, but were informed that pets can't be kept in a war zone. The Marines had four days to find him a home.

An Outpouring Of Support

Dennis' e-mail home launched the Save the Nubs Fund, which raised $3,500 to pay for Nubs' emigration. The two will be reunited when Dennis returns from his second tour of Iraq in late March. Dennis says he'll resume his service as an F-18 Hornet fighter pilot based at nearby Miramar Marine Corps Air Station. Until then, San Diego friends Chrissy and Eric Sjoberg are keeping the dog.

The reunion is expected to air on "The Ellen DeGeneres Show," which is taped in Burbank, Calif. CNN and other outlets have reported Nubs' tale, and camera crews from the DeGeneres show, ABC, CBS, NBC and the Fox network greeted Nubs when he arrived at the airport luggage area at 5 p.m.

He wore a Marine bandanna around his neck and wagged his tail, but didn't bark. "With cameras in his face, it was like he was totally accustomed to it," said Patty Brooks, a friend of Dennis' in San Diego. "It was almost like he realized he'd be a celebrity and was ready for it.

"My first impression was that he is such a loving dog."

DeGeneres' show crew unfurled a "Welcome Home Nubs" banner.

Roger and Trina Hess, parents of Dennis' operations officer in Iraq, Capt. Ron Hess, took care of Nubs in Chicago. They fed him three steaks courtesy of a local restaurateur and some of the frosted strawberry Pop-Tarts the dog came to love.

He had a checkup with an Egyptian veterinarian in Chicago.

"Nubs had to see him because he could decipher the prior vet's report from Jordan, written in Arabic," said Brooks.

Nubs got an all-clear, but had a knee problem that required medication.

Graham Bloem, a certified dog trainer with West Coast K9 in Encinitas, Calif., has volunteered to help Nubs transition from the alpha male in a pack of wild desert dogs to beach dog. He will train Nubs at the Rancho Coastal Humane Society and work on his socialization at a dog park.

"Socialization is what Nubs needs," Bloem said. "This isn't Lassie, but a wild dog from another part of the world. He will meet new animals and people. He will hear new sounds and a new environment."

Two years ago, Bloem worked with another wild dog, also a German shepherd mix brought home from Iraq by a Marine.

"Positive reinforcement is the key with wild dogs," said Bloem, adding that obedience training will lay the foundation for Dennis' handling of the dog when he returns. "I'll have strangers provide him food and affection so he can learn to trust people again."

Marine's Second Rescue

PETA this week awarded its Compassionate Action Award to Dennis for saving Nubs. He has a soft spot for homeless dogs. The major has Bogie, a Labrador-chow mix he rescued from a pound in 2000.

"Nubs reminds me of Bogie because if you stop petting him he will paw you and nuzzle you until you continue," Dennis wrote.

Bloem said that's a sign Nubs is more domesticated than he anticipated. Dennis said Nubs was aggressive when they met, but became "very submissive and docile" after he was stabbed.

A kinder, gentler Nubs now lives in a kinder, gentler land.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/23 ... o-us-home/

[Angiekay]

He deserves everything thats coming to him. He brought it upon himself.

You and Mr Navy should hang out together because apparently someone made you two God's right handers.

[pinkvelvet]

He deserves everything thats coming to him. He brought it upon himself.

You and Mr Navy should hang out together because apparently someone made you two God's right handers.

whatever us and majority of the people out there that knows the difference between right and wrong. Google it online and you'll see what most of the normal people's responses are in regards to this case. Like I said theres just a few out there that think like you. No use arguing with someone thats got a twisted mind. A waste of time.

[Angiekay]

No use arguing with someone thats got a twisted mind. A waste of time.

If that's the case, I''d rather have my twisted mind....Not all of us can think more of people than animals. No wonder this world is so fucked up....thanks to NORMAL people like you!

[StoneCold]

http://gawker.com/363596/puppies-americas-last-taboo

[G.I.Jim]

I'm not EVEN going to get in the middle of this shit-fest, but I will say that this is what the dogs have to say about it!


http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/234001/

[AlienC]

Dude, I gotta agree with you 150% on this. The government is using these people and are hanging them out to dry once they are done with them

And I do not want this Marine used to grease the tank treads. I want him held accountable for what I and a lot of people believe is conduct unbecoming a Marine. For all I care that can be 45 & 45, $250 for two. I am not prepared to give him a free ride.

Wow, look at that.
We BOTH set aside some of our Macho Bravado and
can actually agree on something

That is part of the whole point I have been trying to make.
He was wrong, we agree.
Should he be punished? Sure, we agree.
But the overall sentiment goes FAR BEYOND your suggestions.
People are rallying to have this guy discharged and sentenced.
And if this gains enuff steam because of the internet and threads like this,
you know as well as I do that the Marine Corps will have no choice but
to come down as hard as possible on this guy, making him the example.
They will throw him to the wolves (the general public that is going nuts
over this event) and toss him aside.
And to me, that is unfair.

Who said anything is 'fair'?
There are now public service ads telling people to be careful what they post as it lives forever.
AS IF anyone should need to tell someone from "The Internet Generation " that.

What people learn at differring rates is the Lesson of Unintended Consequences.

I can say with some authority what that feels like.

He'll get over it. The public's attention span is about 13 days at this point, and getting shorter.

There is no way "Puppy Killer Soldier" leads the national news for more than a cycle or two before something happens to distract the masses.
Cafe Bombing (already today) School shooting (yesterday) Economy ( those figure we came up with, we were wrong, it's worse )

Take your pick.
Who's crying for the abandoned pets from all these foreclosures?
Wanna cry over a defensless animal you can do something about?
Go to the shelter and adopt.