New Journey BIO (Official)

[NealIsGod]

Like you're going to schlep down to the U.S. to catch a show.

[Deb]

Like you're going to schlep down to the U.S. to catch a show.

Hey, if it coincided with a JSS or Eric Martin show, I just might.

[sniper16]

Typical Journey press release since 1998. No mention of SP in sight. His HUGE contributions to the Journey sound always diminished or disregarded totally -- as if any singer can be inserted to to sing those songs -- Neal/Jon's songs.
"Core Journey songwriting team of Schon/Cain" (barf emoticon).

At least Arnel did mention Steve.

why would they mention steve perry in a press release about the current members.
that might be the stupidist thing a perry loon has said in this place.

[ProgRocker53]

Typical Journey press release since 1998. No mention of SP in sight. His HUGE contributions to the Journey sound always diminished or disregarded totally -- as if any singer can be inserted to to sing those songs -- Neal/Jon's songs.
"Core Journey songwriting team of Schon/Cain" (barf emoticon).

At least Arnel did mention Steve.

why would they mention steve perry in a press release about the current members.
that might be the stupidist thing a perry loon has said in this place.

Agreed, bro.

Oh, CONGRATS to Jeremey yet again for his contribution to the record.

And, for the record, Cheap Trick played for free at a lumber mill's company picnic a county over, about two years ago.

[jrnyman28]

Between the two of them, Schon and Cain penned all 11 of the new tracks on REVELATION.

I don't know why, but this just screams extreme ego to me. No colaborating with the lead singer (who is the one who's going to sing the songs)? I think I understand a little better.................because I just can't see them handing the 11 over to JSS.........here, do what you're told, sing these. God bless him, I sure hope Arnel's got somebody looking out for his interests.

Not ego, just situation. They wrote most of the album while without a singer. But the statement does make it sound like Arnel had input on how he sang things...which is appropriate. Interesting though that most of Arrival was also written without a lead singer. And Generations came about BECAUSE the lead singer wanted to record new material. Weird pattern...

[jrnyman28]

You can bet that the minimum number of pieces needed to buy was set by Journey/Azoff in order to do the exclusive deal. There are 4,400 Wal-mart and Sam's Club's combined in the US. Going with the 500,000 pieces to be platinum, 114 "pieces" per store fulfills that number.

I don't believe that Journey/Azoff would do an exclusive for 500k pieces, but, who knows; they've done dumber things, right?. When you have an exclusive, there is give and take on both sides, creating risk for both. Journey has risk by having only one retailer sell their goods, while Wal-Mart has risk of taking on 1 million pieces/3-packs.

Another part of the equation is how much advertising does Wal-Mart get from Journey while the band is on tour this summer? Does this mean that the new package doesn't get sold at the concerts this summer?

Well 114 "pieces" per store fulfills the number but does not count as sales. So now we know they need to sell 114 per store...suddenly that doesn't seem as likely to me. But who knows? You are absolutely right that the advertising and placement will be big and cheap for Walmart to do.

[Red13JoePa]

Between the two of them, Schon and Cain penned all 11 of the new tracks on REVELATION.

This is a relief and music to my ears.

[Deb]

Between the two of them, Schon and Cain penned all 11 of the new tracks on REVELATION.

I don't know why, but this just screams extreme ego to me. No colaborating with the lead singer (who is the one who's going to sing the songs)? I think I understand a little better.................because I just can't see them handing the 11 over to JSS.........here, do what you're told, sing these. God bless him, I sure hope Arnel's got somebody looking out for his interests.

Not ego, just situation. They wrote most of the album while without a singer. But the statement does make it sound like Arnel had input on how he sang things...which is appropriate. Interesting though that most of Arrival was also written without a lead singer. And Generations came about BECAUSE the lead singer wanted to record new material. Weird pattern...

That's true, and I was probably a little harsh in my post above. Sorry, just one of my LSAD (Lead Singer Advocate Disease) symptoms showing.

[annie89509]

Typical Journey press release since 1998. No mention of SP in sight. His HUGE contributions to the Journey sound always diminished or disregarded totally -- as if any singer can be inserted to to sing those songs -- Neal/Jon's songs.
"Core Journey songwriting team of Schon/Cain" (barf emoticon).

At least Arnel did mention Steve.

why would they mention steve perry in a press release about the current members.
that might be the stupidist thing a perry loon has said in this place.

Not anymore stupid than goon statements twisting and spinning things that happened 15-20 yrs ago and using it to blame and diss.

Look, I didn't say I never understood the motivation of the press releases (for that matter, all the promo interviews that Neal/Jon ever put out). I'm only commenting that this is VERY typical since 1998.

[jrnyman28]

"Very typical since 1998"? Makes sense since that was when Perry left. They have given plenty of accolades to Perry (they have also said some really unpleasant things in interviews) but the fact is that if the band is trying to move forward than the focus needs to be on that present and future, not on the past. Journey has not shied away from their past and they are certainly currently acknowledging it by revisiting it in sound and substance. They don't need to mention Perry all the time because everyone is aware of Perry's role in Journey....

[Red13JoePa]

Just so Goondom's clear on loondom wants: They must have disclaimers all over concert venues, including but not limited to on the urinal cakes in the men's rooms that STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY, must name every album STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY but still mention him and pay homage in all press releases ?

[annie89509]

"Very typical since 1998"? Makes sense since that was when Perry left. They have given plenty of accolades to Perry (they have also said some really unpleasant things in interviews) but the fact is that if the band is trying to move forward than the focus needs to be on that present and future, not on the past. Journey has not shied away from their past and they are certainly currently acknowledging it by revisiting it in sound and substance. They don't need to mention Perry all the time because everyone is aware of Perry's role in Journey....

Of course, we--the hardcore-- who take the time to visit SP and/or Journey boards know the significance of the man. It's the others--both casual and general music fans--who might not be. They just wouldn't have that emotional connection. But then these are the very people Journey are catering to now, aren't they? Sure, they say they are going back to what made them famous. But where is SP's standing as the chief architect of this "legacy sound"? Nowhere, it would seem by the press releases.

[annie89509]

Just so Goondom's clear on loondom wants: They must have disclaimers all over concert venues, including but not limited to on the urinal cakes in the men's rooms that STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY, must name every album STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY but still mention him and pay homage in all press releases ?

RedPa, you are so "full" of it, I can't even argue with you .

[Pelata]

"Very typical since 1998"? Makes sense since that was when Perry left. They have given plenty of accolades to Perry (they have also said some really unpleasant things in interviews) but the fact is that if the band is trying to move forward than the focus needs to be on that present and future, not on the past. Journey has not shied away from their past and they are certainly currently acknowledging it by revisiting it in sound and substance. They don't need to mention Perry all the time because everyone is aware of Perry's role in Journey....

Of course, we--the hardcore-- who take the time to visit SP and/or Journey boards know the significance of the man. It's the others--both casual and general music fans--who might not be. They just wouldn't have that emotional connection. But then these are the very people Journey are catering to now, aren't they? Sure, they say they are going back to what made them famous. But where is SP's standing as the chief architect of this "legacy sound"? Nowhere, it would seem by the press releases.

Why would they say "Our Cheif Architect, the guy who's voice is forever etched into your brain...well, he's not here...but we have this AWESOME new guy!! And with him, our new record is going to be great!!"??

Of course I'm being sarcastic, but part of trying to move a band forward is not focusing on the past everytime the put out a new record.

[Red13JoePa]

I just want to know which it is.
Do we want them to scream it from the highest peaks that they are perry-free or do we want him mentioned in all press releases?

I mean from '98-'07 I guess that could've been justified in a sick way owing to his sweet no-show gig as the silent full-paid 6th member.

[jrnyman28]

"Very typical since 1998"? Makes sense since that was when Perry left. They have given plenty of accolades to Perry (they have also said some really unpleasant things in interviews) but the fact is that if the band is trying to move forward than the focus needs to be on that present and future, not on the past. Journey has not shied away from their past and they are certainly currently acknowledging it by revisiting it in sound and substance. They don't need to mention Perry all the time because everyone is aware of Perry's role in Journey....

Of course, we--the hardcore-- who take the time to visit SP and/or Journey boards know the significance of the man. It's the others--both casual and general music fans--who might not be. They just wouldn't have that emotional connection. But then these are the very people Journey are catering to now, aren't they? Sure, they say they are going back to what made them famous. But where is SP's standing as the chief architect of this "legacy sound"? Nowhere, it would seem by the press releases.

Actually, I believe it is the casual fans that know only Perry. Because they may be casual now, but I think it is based on that magical time of 78-83 and back then everyone knew Perry was the singer. They are the ones that go to the shows and say things like 'Perry looks good', 'when did Perry get a perm', and (will it be?) 'I didn't know Perry was asian'.

[Pelata]

Actually, I believe it is the casual fans that know only Perry.

Exactly.

[jrnyman28]

Just so Goondom's clear on loondom wants: They must have disclaimers all over concert venues, including but not limited to on the urinal cakes in the men's rooms that STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY, must name every album STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY but still mention him and pay homage in all press releases ?

Yeah: The band has been 'using' Perry all these years but they are not allowed to NOT mention him.

[Sarah]

Not sure who the fuck Soulja Boi is. Never heard of him/them.

SUPAMAN THAT HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Rhiannon]

SUPAMAN THAT HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I mean YOUUUUUU crank 'dat Solja Boi!
(I only recently found out what the 'Supaman' was... )

[ProgRocker53]

SUPAMAN THAT HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I mean YOUUUUUU crank 'dat Solja Boi!
(I only recently found out what the 'Supaman' was... )

From experience?

[Rhiannon]

SUPAMAN THAT HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I mean YOUUUUUU crank 'dat Solja Boi!
(I only recently found out what the 'Supaman' was... )

From experience?

What happens in Vegas...????

[perryfaithful]

congrats to Jeremy!!

[annie89509]

Actually, I believe it is the casual fans that know only Perry.

Exactly.

Let's face it, we all have a somewhat biased viewpoint about this. And my viewpoint has always been that, since 1998, Journey has made a concerted effort (starting with their Nomota LLC moniker) to diminish and slight SP's huge contributions.

It's not so much what Neal/Jon as said or not said. It's what's being fed to the masses. There is a difference between knowing who SP is as the singer of Journey and SP as the major influence and creative force in Journey's legacy sound. As I said, the casual Journey or general music public don't have that emotional connection or insight into this band as we all have acquired.

I'm not saying it's intentional, but what is happening is the way these press releases are worded invariably serve to de-construct and de-sensitize, making Steve Perry out to be "just their singer" in those years.

[annie89509]

Just so Goondom's clear on loondom wants: They must have disclaimers all over concert venues, including but not limited to on the urinal cakes in the men's rooms that STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY, must name every album STEVE PERRY IS NOT IN THE BAND USING THE NAME JOURNEY but still mention him and pay homage in all press releases ?

Yeah: The band has been 'using' Perry all these years but they are not allowed to NOT mention him.

Well, yeah! You said it, not me .

[Red13JoePa]

No you DIDN'T say it, though!
You bitched about them passing over homaging his name in press releases!!

[annie89509]

No you DIDN'T say it, though!
You bitched about them passing over homaging his name in press releases!!

No, Joe! I'm not bitching about them not mentioning Steve's name. I am (and do) take exception to their choice of words in talking up Neal & Jon.

[Moon Beam]

I'm really hoping this won't turn into a shitstorm by saying this, but didn't Jeremey say he came up with the whole "Never Walk Away" premise in a some thread shortly after the Vegas clips? I think he said that Cain was struck by that phrase he came up with if I'm remembering right. If thats the case, he better get some sort of writing credit for that, and whatever else he contributed to the song's beginning.

Yes, the song will appear on the record as Schon/Cain/Hunsicker.

Good for you Jeremey, congrats Sir!

[Sarah]

(I only recently found out what the 'Supaman' was... )

Haha, when I found out I was like WHO DOES THAT

[Rhiannon]

(I only recently found out what the 'Supaman' was... )

Haha, when I found out I was like WHO DOES THAT

Soulja Boi and his HOOOOOOOOOs.