Ellen - Seperate Ways Video

[The_Noble_Cause]

I missed that one.

Used to be on YouTube. Some people on this forum may have the audio of it.

[Pelata]

Errrrrr.. edited !!! aaaarrrggghhhh. Wtf man. Arnel a bit flat on the high notes. Nerves ? I dunno man... The way they butchered the length it makes it hard to tell...

He sounds flat to me a lot. I hate when he adds that fucked up scream on the end of SW.

+1

[Pelata]

I hate when he adds that fucked up scream on the end of SW.

That's a note not a scream, and there aren't too many people that could even come close to hitting it.

He didn't hit it either...flat.

[Marabelle]

Hopefully, if Steve can still sing and if he does the new music; he can teach the young man how to sing it right if he is going to sing it at all.

[brywool]

Hopefully, if Steve can still sing and if he does the new music; he can teach the young man how to sing it right if he is going to sing it at all.

If Perry blew his voice from singing these songs, I really don't think he's in any position to teach anybody anything about what to do and what not to do with their voice. One, because his voice is severely diminished and Two because his habits are the reason his voice is at it is today.

Put on the Raised on Radio Philly show. Perry sounded like crap. CRACKING all over the place, changing pitches all over the place to accommodate a lower range. The guy's got soul like nobody's business and had range forever, but because of whatever reason, the guy no longer has the range he did. I GUARANTEE you that Perry could not sing Separate Ways (in the original key!) the way Arnel did today. Yeah, he was flat on some parts. It was the first tune out of the shoot on live TV. Listen to the Ellen version of Faithfully recorded after SW. It's unbelievably good.

Listen to his FTLOSM shows- The guy could still sing, but it was in a major reduced capacity. No cracking that I heard, but definitely reworking the songs and arrangements to avoid a lot of the high notes, not to mention, everything is tuned down at least a half step if not more. Perry's a vocal God, but he doesn't have the range Arnel does at this point, at least the last time we heard from him. Guess we could wait another decade for him to do SOMETHING...

[STORY_TELLER]

I heard a lot of nerves. Cut the poor guy some slack. This is, what, his 4th, maybe 5th live performance with the band? And on national television?

Bigger issue is, even on the re-record samples, Arnel doesn't hit the rockers well. He nails ballads, but the rockers not so much. Even more important, however, is his stage presence. He really doesn't know what to do with himself when he's not singing. Comes off very awkward, more than a little distracting and for me, it's painful to watch. I hope he can work that out in time.

I'm looking forward to the CD where I can listen to Arnel, but not be distracted by an awkward visual performance.

[Pelata]

Listen to the Ellen version of Faithfully recorded after SW. It's unbelievably good.

No, it's not. Arnel sounds almost like he's unsure of the song's phrasing...sounds like someone singing karaoke.

If either this or the SW performance was an audition, I'd pass.

He is not a bad singer, and I am not bashing him at all...but the Ellen show performances did nothing to impress me.

[Marabelle]

Well of course you have the evidence and you've seen the performances from these shows and I respect your opinion and I will not turn low brow and claim otherwise. We'll have to wait and see if and when he does ever perform. He might or might not surprise many of you.

[brywool]

I heard a lot of nerves. Cut the poor guy some slack. This is, what, his 4th, maybe 5th live performance with the band? And on national television?

Bigger issue is, even on the re-record samples, Arnel doesn't hit the rockers well. He nails ballads, but the rockers not so much. Even more important, however, is his stage presence. He really doesn't know what to do with himself when he's not singing. Comes off very awkward, more than a little distracting and for me, it's painful to watch. I hope he can work that out in time.

I'm looking forward to the CD where I can listen to Arnel, but not be distracted by an awkward visual performance.

I keep hearing peeps say that about the rockers... I don't hear that. Only the Young was amazing on the re-records and live. Not sure where you're getting that...? His stage presence is SO much better than Augeri's. Augeri (who I like a lot) looked like a woman. Arnel looks like he's having fun. I think that it may be a bit awkward, but in a "I'm having a blast" kind of way. I like the innocence of the guy. Clubs are a lot different than TV or theatres. I liked his presence in Chile.

[brywool]

Listen to the Ellen version of Faithfully recorded after SW. It's unbelievably good.

No, it's not. Arnel sounds almost like he's unsure of the song's phrasing...sounds like someone singing karaoke.

If either this or the SW performance was an audition, I'd pass.

He is not a bad singer, and I am not bashing him at all...but the Ellen show performances did nothing to impress me.

I don't agree. I think he made changes to the phrasing consciously. The guy's been singing Faithfully since it came out. He's got no problem with knowing how it goes. I think years of singing the tune has made him put his own spin on it. All Journey singers have done that (sung the songs for a while, then changed their approach as the years rolled on).

Explain the Karaoke comment to me. I've heard that used a lot (american idol, etc.). What does that comment even mean? Not doggin' ya, I'm really curious.

[finalfight]

Very good, although I also don't like the way the note changes up at the end.

There is a comment on YouTube that Arnel sounds like the singer Ted Neeley and despite being a big Neeley fan I never heard it before, however he definitely sounded like Neeley on that clip! Weird.

[Pelata]

I don't agree. I think he made changes to the phrasing consciously. The guy's been singing Faithfully since it came out. He's got no problem with knowing how it goes. I think years of singing the tune has made him put his own spin on it. All Journey singers have done that (sung the songs for a while, then changed their approach as the years rolled on).

I don't hear him taking liberties, I hear him stammering...just my opinion. I did not like it at all. The end, when he did the "forever yours" high notes, he sounded good. But during the song itself, he sounded very unsure of himself.

Explain the Karaoke comment to me. I've heard that used a lot (american idol, etc.). What does that comment even mean? Not doggin' ya, I'm really curious.

Sounded like someone singing the song in a bar to a tape...amateur...sounded like someone with a LOT of potential to be very good falling short...

[AlteredDNA]

I don't agree. I think he made changes to the phrasing consciously. The guy's been singing Faithfully since it came out. He's got no problem with knowing how it goes. I think years of singing the tune has made him put his own spin on it. All Journey singers have done that (sung the songs for a while, then changed their approach as the years rolled on).

I don't hear him taking liberties, I hear him stammering...just my opinion. I did not like it at all. The end, when he did the "forever yours" high notes, he sounded good. But during the song itself, he sounded very unsure of himself.

Explain the Karaoke comment to me. I've heard that used a lot (american idol, etc.). What does that comment even mean? Not doggin' ya, I'm really curious.

Sounded like someone singing the song in a bar to a tape...amateur...sounded like someone with a LOT of potential to be very good falling short...

That sounds more like at dig at the band rather than the singer

[Pelata]

I don't agree. I think he made changes to the phrasing consciously. The guy's been singing Faithfully since it came out. He's got no problem with knowing how it goes. I think years of singing the tune has made him put his own spin on it. All Journey singers have done that (sung the songs for a while, then changed their approach as the years rolled on).

I don't hear him taking liberties, I hear him stammering...just my opinion. I did not like it at all. The end, when he did the "forever yours" high notes, he sounded good. But during the song itself, he sounded very unsure of himself.

Explain the Karaoke comment to me. I've heard that used a lot (american idol, etc.). What does that comment even mean? Not doggin' ya, I'm really curious.

Sounded like someone singing the song in a bar to a tape...amateur...sounded like someone with a LOT of potential to be very good falling short...

That sounds more like at dig at the band rather than the singer

No...the band played the music like consumate pro's...the singing made it sound less than pro.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bigger issue is, even on the re-record samples, Arnel doesn't hit the rockers well. He nails ballads, but the rockers not so much.

Agreed.
Which is odd, considering Neal's oft-cited refrain of wanting to rock out for the past eight years.
As far as I'm concerned, Neal has solidified Journey's reputation as senior prom background music with this new frontman.

[STORY_TELLER]

I heard a lot of nerves. Cut the poor guy some slack. This is, what, his 4th, maybe 5th live performance with the band? And on national television?

Bigger issue is, even on the re-record samples, Arnel doesn't hit the rockers well. He nails ballads, but the rockers not so much. Even more important, however, is his stage presence. He really doesn't know what to do with himself when he's not singing. Comes off very awkward, more than a little distracting and for me, it's painful to watch. I hope he can work that out in time.

I'm looking forward to the CD where I can listen to Arnel, but not be distracted by an awkward visual performance.

I keep hearing peeps say that about the rockers... I don't hear that. Only the Young was amazing on the re-records and live. Not sure where you're getting that...? His stage presence is SO much better than Augeri's. Augeri (who I like a lot) looked like a woman. Arnel looks like he's having fun. I think that it may be a bit awkward, but in a "I'm having a blast" kind of way. I like the innocence of the guy. Clubs are a lot different than TV or theatres. I liked his presence in Chile.

I don't consider Only the Young a rocker. It's a soaring song. He does great when he needs to make his voice soar, but when it comes to songs like SW or Stone in Love, he's sorely lacking. He's no Perry in that respect. Perry could float between rockers and ballads without issue. Not in a heavy metal way, but in a unique to Journey way.

I COMPLETELY disagree about the stage presence. There was NOTHING fun about his SW performance on this show and his Chile presence was borderline amateur. I didn't see a professional on stage, I saw an awkward kid trying out for american idol. Today on Ellen, on SW, he was emoting jitters not enjoyment. He was clearly more comfortable in ballad mode where he didn't need to move around the stage, just stand at the mic with his eyes closed. The kids nervous and understandably so. This is very new for him and it's been thrust upon him all at once. I'm cutting him slack in that area because I'm hoping he'll out grow it.

I like the innocence of the guy in his interviews. Stage presence is another matter. I didn't like Augeri at all (vocally), but he had oodles of stage presence, I'll give him that. He appeared confident. Arnel does not and it's distracting as hell.

[NealIsGod]

The kids nervous and understandably so.

I know he looks young, but he's a grown damn man. Nerves should be gone by now.

[finalfight]

Pelata you my friend are insane in the membrane.

[Pelata]

Augeri had great stage presence...

[Pelata]

Pelata you my friend are insane in the membrane.

How so?

[amaron]

Seriously... what "rockers" does Journey actually have?

I can think of more on TBF, Arrival, Red 13, and Generations than any other album since Perry joined.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri had great stage presence...

Depends. I think he peaked on the 2002 Under-the-Radar tour, everything subsequent to that was a letdown. I think as his voice eventually crapped out, so too did his on-stage panache.

[finalfight]

Pelata you my friend are insane in the membrane.

How so?

Just joshing you but as always the wonderful world of Journey continues to divide opinions like no other. I thought Arnel did great on Ellen and thats based purely on crappy YouTube clips.

[Pelata]

Pelata you my friend are insane in the membrane.

How so?

Just joshing you but as always the wonderful world of Journey continues to divide opinions like no other. I thought Arnel did great on Ellen and thats based purely on crappy YouTube clips.

It's all good...I'm sure that neither the band nor Arnel give a damn what I think anyway.

[Pelata]

Augeri had great stage presence...

Depends. I think he peaked on the 2002 Under-the-Radar tour, everything subsequent to that was a letdown. I think as his voice eventually crapped out, so too did his on-stage panache.

I saw them in 98 & 99...so there ya go. He was great at both shows.

[marijuana57]

It sounds good to me,just noticed Arnel's hair it looks so shiny and soft...hmmm. I think he needs to recommend his shampoo to Dean looks so messy for me or maybe that's the new look? the undone look?

[STORY_TELLER]

I don't hear him taking liberties, I hear him stammering...just my opinion. I did not like it at all. The end, when he did the "forever yours" high notes, he sounded good. But during the song itself, he sounded very unsure of himself.

I didn't hear him stammering, but I did hear a nervous overcompensating use of vibrato. He has a good vibrato and when he's nervous, he appears to fall into that comfort zone and can over use it in places.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Seriously... what "rockers" does Journey actually have?

I can think of more on TBF, Arrival, Red 13, and Generations than any other album since Perry joined.

Rockers with Perry:
(consider when album was released and what
was considered "rock" at the time)

Infinity - La Do Da, Can Do
Evolution - Lovin' You is Easy, Lady Luck and "maybe" When You're Alone
Departure - AWYWI, Prescious Time, Where Were You, Line Of Fire, Homemade Love
Captured - Dixie-Fucking-Highway
Escape - DSB, Stone, Keep on Running, Escape, Lay it Down, DOA
Frontiers - SW, Chain Reaction, Edge/Blade, Troubled Child, Back Talk, Rubicon

And then you have Only The Young and Ask the Lonely that are "rockers" in a sense.

Just my opinions, BTW

[CatEyes]

Wow..

I'm impressed for the first time.

EDIT: Anyone notice the Tapegate-esque microphone Deen was wearing?

What happened to Deen?

he looks like he put on about 50 lbs and like he has been beaten up.

[Pelata]

I don't hear him taking liberties, I hear him stammering...just my opinion. I did not like it at all. The end, when he did the "forever yours" high notes, he sounded good. But during the song itself, he sounded very unsure of himself.

I didn't hear him stammering, but I did hear a nervous overcompensating use of vibrato. He has a good vibrato and when he's nervous, he appears to fall into that comfort zone and can over use it in places.

Not "stammering" in the sense of "stuttering"...more like, as you say, overusing his vibrato and then trying to fit in the next word in time...came off as clumsy in spots...