Lawrence Gowan Fired From Styx

[froy]

Finally the plug has been pulled.
Still getting reports from the scene will report back asap
What Im hearing is the gig with nobody in the crowd sealed the deal.
Gowan has been fired
Its about time

[classicstyxfan]

No offense Froy, but I'll need to hear this from another source before I give it any credence.......are you sure you didnt just accidentally launch some pre-existing message you had prepared ???

[RedWingFan]

Finally the plug has been pulled.
Still getting reports from the scene will report back asap
What Im hearing is the gig with nobody in the crowd sealed the deal.
Gowan has been fired
Its about time

Is this based in reality or are you just retelling your most recent wet dream?

[StyxCollector]

Hate to burst your bubble, but Styx has not been DDY-centric in terms of songs for nearly 10 years at this point (scary how time flies). Whatever you think of that video, they didn't fire Gowan over it.

DDY is doing fine. So is Styx.

[Everett]

Finally the plug has been pulled.
Still getting reports from the scene will report back asap
What Im hearing is the gig with nobody in the crowd sealed the deal.
Gowan has been fired
Its about time

You had me going for a second. Then I looked at who wrote this post. Just keep living in the past froy.

[Zan]

Is this based in reality or are you just retelling your most recent wet dream?

Do you really need to ASK?

[Toph]

Hate to burst your bubble, but Styx has not been DDY-centric in terms of songs for nearly 10 years at this point (scary how time flies). Whatever you think of that video, they didn't fire Gowan over it.

DDY is doing fine. So is Styx.

Well, I wouldn't say either one is doing "Fine". DDY still hasn't released his album in the states (does he even have a record deal here?) and Styx...well that video speaks for itself...has been reduced to being an opening act.

I would replace "fine" with "surving (barely)".

[froy]

DDY is doing fine. So is Styx.

[/quote]

How can you be doing fine when not 1 person is showing up to your show?
Stop enabling STYX they are worse than when they played high schools
At least someone showed up there.

[Zan]

DDY is doing fine. So is Styx.

How can you be doing fine when not 1 person is showing up to you show?
[/quote]


I'll tell you what fine's NOT: A middle-aged man obsessing over a band he worshiped when he was a teenager to the point of making up bogus stories and ill-ridden comments about them on a regular basis for years on end.

[froy]

DDY is doing fine. So is Styx.

How can you be doing fine when not 1 person is showing up to you show?

I'll tell you what fine's NOT: A middle-aged man obsessing over a band he worshiped when he was a teenager to the point of making up bogus stories and ill-ridden comments about them on a regular basis for years on end.

[/quote]

I think you need to post this in your failed horses ass thread
Just like STYX nobody showed up.

[StyxCollector]

DDY is doing fine. So is Styx.

How can you be doing fine when not 1 person is showing up to your show?
Stop enabling STYX they are worse than when they played high schools
At least someone showed up there.[/quote]

Well, here's the thing: I like DDY. I've seen him live plenty of times since 2000/2001. I do not think DDY being in the band would up their numbers by an insanely significant amount these days. I would say that they "miss" (relative term folks) his songwriting and input that way than they do live.

Journey has gone through more lineup changes than Styx in the past 10 years, and their songwriting hasn't necessarily gotten better. Other than JSS, they've had soundalikes. The Arnel story is a good one, but I don't think you would complain any less about Styx if they got a soundalike and had success a la Arnel. Yet you do give kudos to Journey in other threads.

You can't have it both ways, Froy.

[froy]

Well, here's the thing: I like DDY. I've seen him live plenty of times since 2000/2001. I do not think DDY being in the band would up their numbers by an insanely significant amount these days.

Your right and that is the problem,
Gowan has added absolutely nothing to STYX and I mean nothing.
He has not even written a song that has been heard by anyone.
How in gods name was he anything in Canada the guy is laughable.
All he does is punch in his programmed keyboards and then butchers Dennis 's songs.
Fans have seen enough and thats why not 1 single person was in the pavilion at that show.

I would say that they "miss" (relative term folks) his songwriting and input that way than they do live.

The miss allot more than that
From a multi platinum band to nobody showing up to see them is the end of the road.

Journey has gone through more lineup changes than Styx in the past 10 years, and their songwriting hasn't necessarily gotten better. Other than JSS, they've had soundalikes.

Yea but at least they headline and there new cd has already gone gold
Styx can't even put out another cd
Look at the numbers of the last cd under 20 thousand

The Arnel story is a good one, but I don't think you would complain any less about Styx if they got a soundalike and had success a la Arnel. Yet you do give kudos to Journey in other threads.

If Journey sandbagged Perry like STYX did to Dennis they would get the same fate.
You forget STYX thought they were going to rewrite STYX History without Dennis and guess what they were dead wrong.
I find it no surprise that people would rather hang out at the bar and drink rather than see STYX
Look at the video people walking by and not even looking at the stage.
That says it all

You can't have it both ways, Froy.

[/quote]


Both ways are quite different.

[styxfanNH]

Both ways are quite different.

Froy goes both ways?????

[Jodes]

Froy, Dennis will be lucky if 100 Years sells anywhere close to 100 Thousand copies in the states.

Hell it hasn't even gone gold here in Canada.. I guess thats what happens when you don't promote a 2nd single and the general public forgets you have a new CD out.

Oh and the last I heard Big Bang Theory sold somewhere in the 70 000 mark Froy, not 20 000.

Froy, just because you don't like him doesn't mean you have to be IGNORANT about his previous successes.

Gowan's music has been heard by people all across Canada, England and other parts of the world, inlcuding the US (He toured the entire US with Tears for Fears in 1984/85). Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he "hasn't been heard". There are dozens of artists around the world who's made a VERY comfortable living in their home countries and have not had any real American airplay. (Tragically Hip, Harem Scarem, Status Quo, etc). You don't have to be a success in the USA to be successful. Just look at Queen through most of the 80s.

Also, Gowan's songs are still played on the radio across Canada on a daily basis.. A Criminal Mind, Guerilla Solider, Strange Animal, Cosmetics, When There's Time For Love, Guns and God, The Good Catches Up, Moonlight Desires, Lost Brotherhood, Awake The Giant, and Standing On My Own Ground are all still played.

A Criminal Mind, Moonlight Desires and Strange Animal have all passed the 1 Million spins as well.

He's also sold over 1 million records here in Canada. Including several gold and platinum albums.

Dennis Deyoung's solo career on the other hand (other then the live album) here in Canada has produced only ONE gold album.

So I guess Gowan and Dennis are equal in that regards, they've never had a gold album in the USA!

I cannot even remember the last time I heard Desert Moon on the radio, and I bet you don't either Froy.

[StyxCollector]

Your right and that is the problem,
Gowan has added absolutely nothing to STYX and I mean nothing.
He has not even written a song that has been heard by anyone.
How in gods name was he anything in Canada the guy is laughable.
All he does is punch in his programmed keyboards and then butchers Dennis 's songs.
Fans have seen enough and thats why not 1 single person was in the pavilion at that show.

Did you ever also tend to think the angle of the shot - probably from the lawn - may not be able to get people lower. Clearly there were shouts and such down by the stage. Was everyone in their "seat"? No. Was it empty? No.

As Jodes posted, Gowan had big success in Canada. Outside of some songs that charted here, DDY (outside of Styx) hasn't had a ton of solo success (chart-wise). Let's be fair here. Do some people know "Desert Moon"? Sure, but I bet more people in Canada know "A Criminal Mind" than people around the world know "Desert Moon". And I like that album and song.

The miss allot more than that
From a multi platinum band to nobody showing up to see them is the end of the road.

DDY isn't exactly shifting a million units, either. Nothing wrong with that, but even if Styx hadn't parted in 1999 with DDY, and they made another album, would it have been platinum? I highly doubt it. It may have done as well as BNW which wasn't a big seller at all.

Yea but at least they headline and there new cd has already gone gold
Styx can't even put out another cd
Look at the numbers of the last cd under 20 thousand

I would argue this is a fluke. Arrival, Red 13, and Generations didn't sell well at all and all of a sudden this sells like gangbusters?

Remember that people are getting a hits package (even though it's re-recorded), a DVD, and the new album for like $12. Yes, there's some buzz, but to Joe Sixpack, it's just a hits package which they picked up at Wal Mart and they could probably care less about the new stuff, if Steve Perry was in the band or not, etc.

If Journey sandbagged Perry like STYX did to Dennis they would get the same fate.
You forget STYX thought they were going to rewrite STYX History without Dennis and guess what they were dead wrong.
I find it no surprise that people would rather hang out at the bar and drink rather than see STYX
Look at the video people walking by and not even looking at the stage.
That says it all

So you're saying the split with Perry was amicable? Ha! Not to the fans. Similar situation ("wait to tour"), they didn't want to, out goes the lead singer. Bad feelings in fan base which is somewhat split. I would agree that Styx has tried to change their image a bit, but whether you think it's successful or not, even I would argue that Steve Perry was more intrinsic to Journey in terms of their image than DDY was to Styx. In no way am I saying DDY was unimportant to Styx because anyone know who knows anything about the band and is a true fan knows how important he was and is in many ways to the band (whether band members of the present choose to acknowledge it or not). Sure, Perry became part of the writing "team" over in the Journey camp, but writing-wise, DDY was much more important to Styx IMHO

[Zan]

Damn, Allen. Your intestinal fortitude is something to be seen. It never ceases to impress the way you continue to reason with Froy like he has the human capability to follow along.

[Grotelul]

Well, here's the thing: I like DDY. I've seen him live plenty of times since 2000/2001. I do not think DDY being in the band would up their numbers by an insanely significant amount these days.

Your right and that is the problem,
Gowan has added absolutely nothing to STYX and I mean nothing.
He has not even written a song that has been heard by anyone.
How in gods name was he anything in Canada the guy is laughable.
All he does is punch in his programmed keyboards and then butchers Dennis 's songs.
Fans have seen enough and thats why not 1 single person was in the pavilion at that show.

I would say that they "miss" (relative term folks) his songwriting and input that way than they do live.

The miss allot more than that
From a multi platinum band to nobody showing up to see them is the end of the road.

Journey has gone through more lineup changes than Styx in the past 10 years, and their songwriting hasn't necessarily gotten better. Other than JSS, they've had soundalikes.

Yea but at least they headline and there new cd has already gone gold
Styx can't even put out another cd
Look at the numbers of the last cd under 20 thousand

The Arnel story is a good one, but I don't think you would complain any less about Styx if they got a soundalike and had success a la Arnel. Yet you do give kudos to Journey in other threads.

If Journey sandbagged Perry like STYX did to Dennis they would get the same fate.
You forget STYX thought they were going to rewrite STYX History without Dennis and guess what they were dead wrong.
I find it no surprise that people would rather hang out at the bar and drink rather than see STYX
Look at the video people walking by and not even looking at the stage.
That says it all

You can't have it both ways, Froy.

Both ways are quite different.[/quote]


Froy. Why are you the way you are? Do you wak up each morning and thinck of stuped thing to say here? Is life that bad? Have you evir said one positeve thing about Gowan? Your blind hatrid for thats man is a phicologists dream.

[froy]

Froy. Why are you the way you are?
Do you wake up each morning and think of stupid things to say here?
is life that bad?
Have you ever said one positive thing about Gowan?
Your blind hatred for that man is a philologists dream

I would rather have the worst case of diarrhea than listen to Gowan sing
The reason STYX is so bad is best described in 2 words Larry Gowan
Case closed

[gr8dane]

Froy. Why are you the way you are?
Do you wake up each morning and think of stupid things to say here?
is life that bad?
Have you ever said one positive thing about Gowan?
Your blind hatred for that man is a philologists dream

I would rather have the worst case of diarrhea than listen to Gowan sing
The reason STYX is so bad is best described in 2 words Larry Gowan
Case closed

You must be pretty thick.
I don't know how many times you have closed the case,
and yet you keep opening it up again.

[Blue Falcon]

He toured the entire US with Tears for Fears in 1984/85.

That's not exactly something that someone should brag about.

[chowhall]

I would rather have the worst case of diarrhea than listen to Gowan sing

I vote for you having diarrhea.

[Jodes]

Froy I wish you would make up your mind allready.. one week its JY's fault for ruining Styx, then another it's Tommy's, and now its Larry's. Make up what little left you have of your mind.

Hell, you've even belittled Chuck's role in Styx and have insulted him (remember that little ditty you said about comparing him to one of the apostles?).

Yet you won't acknowlege that your hero had anything to do with the way the current Styx is now. You ever think that maybe he isn't the God you think he is?

[Hollywood]

This is ridiculous! That video has no point of view to ascertain how many people are there. If the people were standing up you could only see the last three rows in the pavilion. So there could be tons of people there.

I think we get that you don’t like Gowan and that’s fine, but that is what Styx is right now and if you do like it, don’t buy it and go away!

I enjoy the show that they put on with him in the band. They are a rock band with this line up, which is something they hadn’t been since 1978. I have seen them quite a few time, though less since Burtnik left. That guy’s a freakin’ genius!

I’m in the camp that this new line up needs to make a new record. They can make a new record and get it out with no problem. Plus the time they are in the studio will allow them to be off the road. They need to go away for a year and let the fan base recharge. You can’t tour all the time for 9 years and not expect the attendance to go down. This would happen even if DDY is in the band. If DDY was in the band they probably would have only done 2 tours in these eight years and the odds of a new Styx record would be very low.

[Hollywood]

Why do I let people like this get me all fired up?

I consider myself to be functionally retarded most of the time, but it took me less the 10 minutes, which included getting a soda and shaking the dew of my…… well you get the point, to find a video from this same show. This video will not make you motion sick and it show that the lower pavilion is full except for the season ticket holder’s private boxes. I would say the up pavilion is also pretty populated from where the video was filmed. It was the second song in the set and the sun was still up if you want to spin that it was later and Gowan is singing it too. And as far as band going on with the sun still up. Unless you expect fans there until 2 in the morning this is a reality with more than one headliner.

Cheap Trick and Heart will be going on with the sun still up with Journey this summer and they have all their primary members so……

If I’m functionally retarded, what does that make you Froy?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgT-7bZ0 ... re=related

[Zan]

Why do I let people like this get me all fired up?

I consider myself to be functionally retarded most of the time,

I think you probably answered your own question right there.

Nice to see you here, Hollywood!

but it took me less the 10 minutes, which included getting a soda and shaking the dew of my…… well you get the point, to find a video from this same show. This video will not make you motion sick and it show that the lower pavilion is full except for the season ticket holder’s private boxes.

Heh. Not that "the amount of people in the audience" is an indication of how "good" a band is or is not, but this does make me giggle a little bit.

And hey, they still sound REALLY good. I guess it wasn't just the luck of the draw!

[froy]

Froy I wish you would make up your mind allready.. one week its JY's fault for ruining Styx, then another it's Tommy's, and now its Larry's. Make up what little left you have of your mind.

Im glad you study my posts
Keep up the good work
Yea all 3 have ruined STYX

Hell, you've even belittled Chuck's role in Styx and have insulted him (remember that little ditty you said about comparing him to one of the apostles?).

YEP Judas thats Chuck
Stab right in the back
Hows that working out for him?

Yet you won't acknowlege that your hero had anything to do with the way the current Styx is now.

Who would?
Styx stinks now because of STYX mainly Gowan in fact.

[stmonkeys]

Styx stinks now because of STYX mainly Gowan in fact.

ah.... an editor's dream. coherent and properly punctuated.

i'm amazed he spelled each word correctly and used proper capitalization.

[froy]

Styx stinks now because of STYX mainly Gowan in fact.

ah.... an editor's dream. coherent and properly punctuated.

i'm amazed he spelled each word correctly and used proper capitalization.

Who cares
What I said is 100 percent correct
Funny thing you know it...

[Tanirocker]

OK, let's recap.

Styx is getting booked so much that they are on the road constantly, at about $100K per gig. Then there's their merchandise, which is pulling in big bucks. Their catalog still sells.

They've headlined at "tiny" venues like the Staples Center in Los Angeles. They have headlined sold out shows at every House of Blues in the US, play all of the big casinos like the Luxor in Las Vegas, and have toured Europe several times now.

But because you don't approve of the lead singer, NINE YEARS later, they're failures. Nice grasp of reality, dude.

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[sadie65]

OK, let's recap.

Styx is getting booked so much that they are on the road constantly, at about $100K per gig. Then there's their merchandise, which is pulling in big bucks. Their catalog still sells.

They've headlined at "tiny" venues like the Staples Center in Los Angeles. They have headlined sold out shows at every House of Blues in the US, play all of the big casinos like the Luxor in Las Vegas, and have toured Europe several times now.

But because you don't approve of the lead singer, NINE YEARS later, they're failures. Nice grasp of reality, dude.

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We learn to ignore. Just not worth it.