Stick It To 'Em or Get Back With 'Em?

[froy]

I like Larry in Styx a lot though so I'm torn here.

Wake up and throw some cold water on your puss
Larry is garbage.

Garbage? His playing is leaps and bounds over Dennis'. His vocals aren't as good. I sure like his contributions to Cyclorama better than anything Dennis had done since Paradise Theatre.

[/quote]

So Larry had better tunes than

Show Me The Way
Paradise
Back To Chicago
Love At First Sight
Don't Let It End
High Time

Really tell me which ones and how many were played on the radio.

And as far as his vocals he should never even open his mouth and sing anything
He's horrific. Talk about a strange animal he sings like one

[Saint John]

Dennnis on getting back with Styx from last November

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKnlLwbiGLY

He'll be back with them in 2011 (I hope) for a major reunion tour ... hopefully with Journey. He'll eventually be back with them for one last tour. He's basically telling them he wants to be, and they have to get rid of that hack shit-bum, Gowan, sooner or later. That guy fucking sucks as a singer.

[Everett]

Dennnis on getting back with Styx from last November

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKnlLwbiGLY

He'll be back with them in 2011 (I hope) for a major reunion tour ... hopefully with Journey. He'll eventually be back with them for one last tour. He's basically telling them he wants to be, and they have to get rid of that hack shit-bum, Gowan, sooner or later. That guy fucking sucks as a singer.

same could be said about arnel but wrong board for that.

[Mr JY Roboto]

I like Larry in Styx a lot though so I'm torn here.

Wake up and throw some cold water on your puss
Larry is garbage.

Garbage? His playing is leaps and bounds over Dennis'. His vocals aren't as good. I sure like his contributions to Cyclorama better than anything Dennis had done since Paradise Theatre.

So Larry had better tunes than

Show Me The Way
Paradise
Back To Chicago
Love At First Sight
Don't Let It End
High Time

Really tell me which ones and how many were played on the radio.

And as far as his vocals he should never even open his mouth and sing anything
He's horrific. Talk about a strange animal he sings like one[/quote]


Paradise should never been a Styx song
Back To Chicago sounds nothing like a Styx song
High Time is garbage

Show Me The Way is a really good song and Love at First Sight is okay.

I personally like Fields of The Brave and More Love For The Money much more than almost every song you listed.

[froy]

Dennnis on getting back with Styx from last November

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKnlLwbiGLY

He'll be back with them in 2011 (I hope) for a major reunion tour ... hopefully with Journey. He'll eventually be back with them for one last tour. He's basically telling them he wants to be, and they have to get rid of that hack shit-bum, Gowan, sooner or later. That guy fucking sucks as a singer.

same could be said about arnel but wrong board for that.

I don't think anyone will say Arnel sucks as a singer,
Gowan is an easy target because he really does sound terrible.

[froy]

I like Larry in Styx a lot though so I'm torn here.

Paradise should never been a Styx song

Paradise is a great song
Both versions

Back To Chicago sounds nothing like a Styx song

Anything Gowan sings sounds nothing like a STYX song
Play any 2 you picked and 10 out of 10 people will not say thats Styx

High Time is garbage

Again better than Cold War not garbage at all.

I personally like Fields of The Brave

You should its Show Me The Way ripped off

[Monker]

Could the recent changes to Dennis' rock show be to finally stick it to Styx by playing most of their hits or could it be part of a bigger plan to move 2 similar shows where Tommy and JY have no choice but to bring Dennis back into the fold, at least for one last tour before they part ways again?

I look at it the same way I looked at Perry's FTLOSM tour and his Journey set. Perry would be nothing without Journey...and obviously Dennis is nothing without Styx, all of Styx. He obviously does not have the ability to hold an audience without with "his" music alone.

[Monker]

Could the recent changes to Dennis' rock show be to finally stick it to Styx by playing most of their hits or could it be part of a bigger plan to move 2 similar shows where Tommy and JY have no choice but to bring Dennis back into the fold, at least for one last tour before they part ways again?[/quote

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Its simple Dennis made Fake Styx disposable
Why go see that farse any longer
This will bring the camps together IMO
JY is smokin pissed off right now and all I can say is TOO BAD

Because I would rather hear Styx perform Renegade in a Styx set the DDY perform it as a wannabe solo act. It makes no sense...But, whatever, enjoy it if that's the only way you can.

[BlackWall]

Could the recent changes to Dennis' rock show be to finally stick it to Styx by playing most of their hits or could it be part of a bigger plan to move 2 similar shows where Tommy and JY have no choice but to bring Dennis back into the fold, at least for one last tour before they part ways again?[/quote

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Its simple Dennis made Fake Styx disposable
Why go see that farse any longer
This will bring the camps together IMO
JY is smokin pissed off right now and all I can say is TOO BAD

Because I would rather hear Styx perform Renegade in a Styx set the DDY perform it as a wannabe solo act. It makes no sense...But, whatever, enjoy it if that's the only way you can.

I can see where Monker is coming from on this. I don't blame Dennis at all for bringing these songs to the set; I mean, Styx has been doing "Lady", "Grand Illusion", "Come Sail Away", and even "Suite Madame Blue" for years, but I can say that I would of course rather hear Tommy Shaw sing Tommy Shaw songs, just as I would rather hear DDY do his. This is why I don't have a problem going to both camps to see a show. However, would I go to a Styx show with the whole REO/same stale setlist they have been doing since 2002? No. Dennis knows how to play the game and mixes it up enough to keep it interesting; so, if I get to hear him play keys, and do backup vox on some TS Styx songs I like, you won't hear me complain.

Also, I don't imagine he's adding these songs because fans aren't satisfied with his material. Let's face it, he has enough of his own hits: "Lady", "Come Sail Away", "Babe", "The Best Of Times", "Mr. Roboto", "Don't Let It End" "Desert Moon", and "Show Me The Way", that's not even including lesser hits and album tracks. I would imagine it's more simply because he can, and he finally realized, if they're doing it, there's no reason why he shouldn't, but we shall see.

[StyxCollector]

Could the recent changes to Dennis' rock show be to finally stick it to Styx by playing most of their hits or could it be part of a bigger plan to move 2 similar shows where Tommy and JY have no choice but to bring Dennis back into the fold, at least for one last tour before they part ways again?

I look at it the same way I looked at Perry's FTLOSM tour and his Journey set. Perry would be nothing without Journey...and obviously Dennis is nothing without Styx, all of Styx. He obviously does not have the ability to hold an audience without with "his" music alone.

He's been doing it for 10 years just fine and plays venues equivalent to Styx when they are the only act on the bill (anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand; sometimes more at "free" gigs which aren't really free - just to the audience). I tend to agree that at this point, it's more of a "well what's good for the goose is good for the gander". Styx does DDY songs, so why can't DDY do TS songs? TS and DDY get paid either way.

[bugsymalone]

A little reality check here. Allan and Suite have already hit upon this before but since some are relegating Dennis to an also-ran, has been who "has" to include some lesser Styx hits that he did not write in his show, maybe we should review.

His first orchestra show, that got him back in the game 10 years ago, sold out a 4000 seat hall. Since then, he has done a variety of shows that have done, in the grand scheme of things, well enough to keep him in demand for 10 years now in venues both big and small.

When it came time to resurrect Soundstage they chose to go to Dennis' orchestra show to represent the music of Styx, who had been the very first Soundstage act at its debut long ago.

He has been the go-to guy to represent Styx on VH1, on Private Sessions, on Canadian Idol, on Canadian Star Academie, in addition to other programs he has appeared on solo and done quite well.

He self-released a CD and his Soundstage DVD, which were picked up by labels in the US and Canada. His orchestra DVD went 3Xplatinum in Canada. (As opposed to his former band's...what?), his CD went platinum as well.

That success, and his extremely popular appearance on Star Academie led to his releasing an album of original songs that produced a No. 1 song in Quebec. It also led to his preceding his former band at the big New Year's Eve concert at Niagara Falls. (Which draws enormous crowds)

While release of his album in the US did not set the world on fire, he received excellent reviews. And this was an album of original music, not covers.

In addition, his creativity has not been directed at just one thing. His personal project, "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" finally got its theatrical performance and garnered him a prestigious Jefferson Award in Chicago.

He is getting plenty of gigs as a solo act, so he must be doing something right. Does he stick to the nostalgia at his shows? Yes. But so does his former band. And I daresay of the two, Dennis is by far doing the more interesting music, with far more interesting setlists that he has changed up over and over, doing it yet again.

There's more, but I am tired of typing.

Bugsy

[Higgy]

A little reality check here. Allan and Suite have already hit upon this before but since some are relegating Dennis to an also-ran, has been who "has" to include some lesser Styx hits that he did not write in his show, maybe we should review.

His first orchestra show, that got him back in the game 10 years ago, sold out a 4000 seat hall. Since then, he has done a variety of shows that have done, in the grand scheme of things, well enough to keep him in demand for 10 years now in venues both big and small.

When it came time to resurrect Soundstage they chose to go to Dennis' orchestra show to represent the music of Styx, who had been the very first Soundstage act at its debut long ago.

He has been the go-to guy to represent Styx on VH1, on Private Sessions, on Canadian Idol, on Canadian Star Academie, in addition to other programs he has appeared on solo and done quite well.

He self-released a CD and his Soundstage DVD, which were picked up by labels in the US and Canada. His orchestra DVD went 3Xplatinum in Canada. (As opposed to his former band's...what?), his CD went platinum as well.

That success, and his extremely popular appearance on Star Academie led to his releasing an album of original songs that produced a No. 1 song in Quebec. It also led to his preceding his former band at the big New Year's Eve concert at Niagara Falls. (Which draws enormous crowds)

While release of his album in the US did not set the world on fire, he received excellent reviews. And this was an album of original music, not covers.

In addition, his creativity has not been directed at just one thing. His personal project, "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" finally got its theatrical performance and garnered him a prestigious Jefferson Award in Chicago.

He is getting plenty of gigs as a solo act, so he must be doing something right. Does he stick to the nostalgia at his shows? Yes. But so does his former band. And I daresay of the two, Dennis is by far doing the more interesting music, with far more interesting setlists that he has changed up over and over, doing it yet again.

There's more, but I am tired of typing.

Bugsy

Yeah, the notion that Dennis has to play Tommy songs to get a crowd is absolutely absurd. However, on the flipside, can you imaging a Styx show without CSA, Lady, etc.? Thought not!

[Everett]

dennis should do miss america that would really piss jy off

[Toph]

Could the recent changes to Dennis' rock show be to finally stick it to Styx by playing most of their hits or could it be part of a bigger plan to move 2 similar shows where Tommy and JY have no choice but to bring Dennis back into the fold, at least for one last tour before they part ways again?

I look at it the same way I looked at Perry's FTLOSM tour and his Journey set. Perry would be nothing without Journey...and obviously Dennis is nothing without Styx, all of Styx. He obviously does not have the ability to hold an audience without with "his" music alone.

Hey fucktard, last time I saw he was outdrawing the pseudo Styx...

Exactly how many people would attend a Tommy Shaw solo concert?

[Toph]

dennis should do miss america that would really piss jy off

No one wants to hear that song...most overrated Styx song ever.

[BlackWall]

It would be kind of funny, though. Imagine- he just has random fans from the audience come up and do the vocals every show.. I say this, but seriously, I do enjoy hearing J.Y. do "Miss America", but I don't know that it's for the right reasons..

[styxfanNH]

Could the recent changes to Dennis' rock show be to finally stick it to Styx by playing most of their hits or could it be part of a bigger plan to move 2 similar shows where Tommy and JY have no choice but to bring Dennis back into the fold, at least for one last tour before they part ways again?

I look at it the same way I looked at Perry's FTLOSM tour and his Journey set. Perry would be nothing without Journey...and obviously Dennis is nothing without Styx, all of Styx. He obviously does not have the ability to hold an audience without with "his" music alone.

Hey fucktard, last time I saw he was outdrawing the pseudo Styx...

Exactly how many people would attend a Tommy Shaw solo concert?

Dennis is not outdrawing Styx.

[styxfanNH]

A little reality check here. Allan and Suite have already hit upon this before but since some are relegating Dennis to an also-ran, has been who "has" to include some lesser Styx hits that he did not write in his show, maybe we should review.

His first orchestra show, that got him back in the game 10 years ago, sold out a 4000 seat hall. Since then, he has done a variety of shows that have done, in the grand scheme of things, well enough to keep him in demand for 10 years now in venues both big and small.

When it came time to resurrect Soundstage they chose to go to Dennis' orchestra show to represent the music of Styx, who had been the very first Soundstage act at its debut long ago.

He has been the go-to guy to represent Styx on VH1, on Private Sessions, on Canadian Idol, on Canadian Star Academie, in addition to other programs he has appeared on solo and done quite well.

He self-released a CD and his Soundstage DVD, which were picked up by labels in the US and Canada. His orchestra DVD went 3Xplatinum in Canada. (As opposed to his former band's...what?), his CD went platinum as well.

That success, and his extremely popular appearance on Star Academie led to his releasing an album of original songs that produced a No. 1 song in Quebec. It also led to his preceding his former band at the big New Year's Eve concert at Niagara Falls. (Which draws enormous crowds)

While release of his album in the US did not set the world on fire, he received excellent reviews. And this was an album of original music, not covers.

In addition, his creativity has not been directed at just one thing. His personal project, "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" finally got its theatrical performance and garnered him a prestigious Jefferson Award in Chicago.

He is getting plenty of gigs as a solo act, so he must be doing something right. Does he stick to the nostalgia at his shows? Yes. But so does his former band. And I daresay of the two, Dennis is by far doing the more interesting music, with far more interesting setlists that he has changed up over and over, doing it yet again.

There's more, but I am tired of typing.

Bugsy

Yeah, the notion that Dennis has to play Tommy songs to get a crowd is absolutely absurd. However, on the flipside, can you imaging a Styx show without CSA, Lady, etc.? Thought not!

They do shows without Lady

[Monker]

Also, I don't imagine he's adding these songs because fans aren't satisfied with his material.

Bullshit. He didn't even try any from 100yrs. He knows fans don't give a crap about his solo songs. They want to hear Styx. Period. I'll go back to the Perry comparison...He is nothing without Journey and Dennis is nothing without Styx. You can take all of his solo stuff and flush it down the toilet and it wouldn't matter....because the only thing that REALLY matters is his time with Styx. That is what this proves to me.

Let's face it, he has enough of his own hits: "Lady", "Come Sail Away", "Babe", "The Best Of Times", "Mr. Roboto", "Don't Let It End"

And, those are not 'his' hits, they are STYX hits. Some people may not wish to admit it, but those songs are the bands, not DDY solo songs.

"Desert Moon"

And, that is the only solo song that the general public even has a hope of knowing.

"Show Me The Way"

Even though that may be a 'hit', it didn't become a classic like the older songs...and really is not in the same league as the other Styx songs you mentioned.

that's not even including lesser hits and album tracks. I would imagine it's more simply because he can, and he finally realized, if they're doing it, there's no reason why he shouldn't, but we shall see.

He can do it...but it's pretty pathetic, IMO. It's all but admitting that he can't make it without Tommy and the rest of the band.

[Monker]

Could the recent changes to Dennis' rock show be to finally stick it to Styx by playing most of their hits or could it be part of a bigger plan to move 2 similar shows where Tommy and JY have no choice but to bring Dennis back into the fold, at least for one last tour before they part ways again?

I look at it the same way I looked at Perry's FTLOSM tour and his Journey set. Perry would be nothing without Journey...and obviously Dennis is nothing without Styx, all of Styx. He obviously does not have the ability to hold an audience without with "his" music alone.

Hey fucktard, last time I saw he was outdrawing the pseudo Styx...

Exactly how many people would attend a Tommy Shaw solo concert?

You need glasses or to go back to school to learn to count. Wen i saw Styx last year there were a hell of a lot more then the couple thousand that was at the Dennis orchestra show I saw...And, the last time Dennis was here he was at rib fest as free entertainment...Not a paying $60/ticket show like I saw for Styx.

The bottom line is Styx they draw about the same nationwide...the difference is that Styx does it their way, without Babe and Roboto and the misc. crap that Dennis would throw in. Now Dennis basically threw in the towel and has given up on doing it 'his way' and now wants to do the "Styx" thing as a solo artist.

[Monker]

A little reality check here. Allan and Suite have already hit upon this before but since some are relegating Dennis to an also-ran, has been who "has" to include some lesser Styx hits that he did not write in his show, maybe we should review.

His first orchestra show, that got him back in the game 10 years ago, sold out a 4000 seat hall. Since then, he has done a variety of shows that have done, in the grand scheme of things, well enough to keep him in demand for 10 years now in venues both big and small.

When it came time to resurrect Soundstage they chose to go to Dennis' orchestra show to represent the music of Styx, who had been the very first Soundstage act at its debut long ago.

He has been the go-to guy to represent Styx on VH1, on Private Sessions, on Canadian Idol, on Canadian Star Academie, in addition to other programs he has appeared on solo and done quite well.

He self-released a CD and his Soundstage DVD, which were picked up by labels in the US and Canada. His orchestra DVD went 3Xplatinum in Canada. (As opposed to his former band's...what?), his CD went platinum as well.

That success, and his extremely popular appearance on Star Academie led to his releasing an album of original songs that produced a No. 1 song in Quebec. It also led to his preceding his former band at the big New Year's Eve concert at Niagara Falls. (Which draws enormous crowds)

While release of his album in the US did not set the world on fire, he received excellent reviews. And this was an album of original music, not covers.

In addition, his creativity has not been directed at just one thing. His personal project, "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" finally got its theatrical performance and garnered him a prestigious Jefferson Award in Chicago.

He is getting plenty of gigs as a solo act, so he must be doing something right. Does he stick to the nostalgia at his shows? Yes. But so does his former band. And I daresay of the two, Dennis is by far doing the more interesting music, with far more interesting setlists that he has changed up over and over, doing it yet again.

There's more, but I am tired of typing.

Bugsy

Yeah, the notion that Dennis has to play Tommy songs to get a crowd is absolutely absurd. However, on the flipside, can you imaging a Styx show without CSA, Lady, etc.? Thought not!

They do shows without Lady

Well, luckily I haven't seen one.

[pinkfloyd1973]

That's all and good Monkey, but I happen to be a big fan of Dennis' solo stuff and i'm disappointed that he doesn't do a lot more in his setlist, I think Dennis has already proven he doesn't need his former bandmates


Robin

[pinkfloyd1973]

By the way Monker, this is for you to replace the avatar you no longer have

[Monker]

That's all and good Monkey, but I happen to be a big fan of Dennis' solo stuff and i'm disappointed that he doesn't do a lot more in his setlist, I think Dennis has already proven he doesn't need his former bandmates


Robin

If that were even remotely true, he would not feel the desire to add Tommy's Styx song to his SOLO shows. I don't believe there are enough fans like you to buy tickets to keep him into touring for his solo shows. As I said, he chose Tommy's songs over his own NEW songs on 100 years.

[pinkfloyd1973]

That's all and good Monkey, but I happen to be a big fan of Dennis' solo stuff and i'm disappointed that he doesn't do a lot more in his setlist, I think Dennis has already proven he doesn't need his former bandmates


Robin

If that were even remotely true, he would not feel the desire to add Tommy's Styx song to his SOLO shows. I don't believe there are enough fans like you to buy tickets to keep him into touring for his solo shows. As I said, he chose Tommy's songs over his own NEW songs on 100 years.

That's like saying the current version of Styx should be playing stuff off of Cyclorama instead of "Come Sail Away" or "Lady"


Robin

[Monker]

That's all and good Monkey, but I happen to be a big fan of Dennis' solo stuff and i'm disappointed that he doesn't do a lot more in his setlist, I think Dennis has already proven he doesn't need his former bandmates


Robin

If that were even remotely true, he would not feel the desire to add Tommy's Styx song to his SOLO shows. I don't believe there are enough fans like you to buy tickets to keep him into touring for his solo shows. As I said, he chose Tommy's songs over his own NEW songs on 100 years.

That's like saying the current version of Styx should be playing stuff off of Cyclorama instead of "Come Sail Away" or "Lady"


Robin

IMO, Styx can do any Styx song they want...because they ARE Styx (whether you like it or not). Dennis solo is not "Renegade".

[bugsymalone]

That's all and good Monkey, but I happen to be a big fan of Dennis' solo stuff and i'm disappointed that he doesn't do a lot more in his setlist, I think Dennis has already proven he doesn't need his former bandmates


Robin

If that were even remotely true, he would not feel the desire to add Tommy's Styx song to his SOLO shows. I don't believe there are enough fans like you to buy tickets to keep him into touring for his solo shows. As I said, he chose Tommy's songs over his own NEW songs on 100 years.

That's like saying the current version of Styx should be playing stuff off of Cyclorama instead of "Come Sail Away" or "Lady"


Robin

IMO, Styx can do any Styx song they want...because they ARE Styx (whether you like it or not). Dennis solo is not "Renegade".

When Dennis tours, the subtitle to his name is "The Music of Styx." Styx, by your own reckoning, does DDY penned songs that were part of the band's output. Styx songs. So if Dennis performs a few lesser Styx hits written by Tommy, but known by fans, in a show titled "The Music of Styx", I certainly see no problem here.

BTW, at his Feb. 14th show, he performed Desert Moon and 100 Years from Now. I guess those are the Dennis DeYoung parts of the show.

Sounds like a nice variety to me.


Bugsy

[SuiteMadameBlue]

dennis should do miss america that would really piss jy off

These songs weren't added to piss anyone off.

I don't think he woke up one day and said "I think I'm going to piss off my former bandmates, I'm going to add "their" songs.

[Monker]

dennis should do miss america that would really piss jy off

These songs weren't added to piss anyone off.

I don't think he woke up one day and said "I think I'm going to piss off my former bandmates, I'm going to add "their" songs.

I think he woke up one day and thought, "I'm drawing fewer and fewer people with this solo show. I need to make it more like Styx...because that is what the people really want. They don't want to hear my solo stuff, even new solo stuff, or obscure Styx songs. Styx is what made me famous, not being solo, and that is what the public are willing to pay for. So, I have a choice...either continue to perform for a handful of people who know "Desert Moon", or play to the same crowd that Tommy and Styx are currently playing for...and if I'm going to do that, I may as well add Tommy's Styx songs too."

[Higgy]

dennis should do miss america that would really piss jy off

These songs weren't added to piss anyone off.

I don't think he woke up one day and said "I think I'm going to piss off my former bandmates, I'm going to add "their" songs.

I think he woke up one day and thought, "I'm drawing fewer and fewer people with this solo show. I need to make it more like Styx...because that is what the people really want. They don't want to hear my solo stuff, even new solo stuff, or obscure Styx songs. Styx is what made me famous, not being solo, and that is what the public are willing to pay for. So, I have a choice...either continue to perform for a handful of people who know "Desert Moon", or play to the same crowd that Tommy and Styx are currently playing for...and if I'm going to do that, I may as well add Tommy's Styx songs too."

Well, one just needs to look at the venues and sales of DDY's tours. Go check it out, Monker. What you'll find is that DDY's concert sales have NOT declined. So that kind of makes what you're saying a big sweaty penis sandwich.