Marie Osmonds son takes own life

[Saint John]

I have personally known 6 people in the past year that have committed suicide-I have no idea what the motive behind the suicide was

Knowing you would be my guess.

[Angel]

I have personally known 6 people in the past year that have committed suicide-I have no idea what the motive behind the suicide was

Knowing you would be my guess.

So how is it that you're still around?

[Ehwmatt]

I hope all of this angst is only towards celebs. Unless you deal with this yourself (like I have) and I am talking about clinically depressed (topped with anxiety, personality disorder and OCD in my case) then you really shouldn't say shit. There is a HUGE difference between feeling sad i.e "aw, damn...didn't get laid last night...what am I gonna do this weekend? *depressed*" and having a chemical imbalance in your brain. In my case, it was a few years before my brain just snapped into it. It can happen instantly. I would never wish it on anyone and I never wanted this for myself.

I also disagree with the person who said "don't tell me the person starts drinking AFTER he is depressed..." well, unless you have dealt with it...you probably wouldn't understand. I am going to take a stab and say that you think a person drinks himself into being clinically depressed? Or is it more likely some guy gets so drunk off his ass, he does something stupid? Well, in any case...it doesn't matter, you're not in your right mind in either scenario. My point is, they don't have to go hand in hand. You don't need to be drunk or on drugs to be depressed.

The substance abuse thing boils down to this: Someone who willingly engages in ruining their lives by losing their job, relationships, cheating etc. by drinking and/or abusing drugs and then gets depressed as a CONSEQUENCE of such aforementioned fallout from their habits does not get my sympathy. In no way am I saying that the only people who are depressed are people who drink or do drugs. I just think the substance abusers who suffer the type of depression I just described do an injustice to people who legitimately suffer from true depression.

[Jana]

I hope all of this angst is only towards celebs. Unless you deal with this yourself (like I have) and I am talking about clinically depressed (topped with anxiety, personality disorder and OCD in my case) then you really shouldn't say shit. There is a HUGE difference between feeling sad i.e "aw, damn...didn't get laid last night...what am I gonna do this weekend? *depressed*" and having a chemical imbalance in your brain. In my case, it was a few years before my brain just snapped into it. It can happen instantly. I would never wish it on anyone and I never wanted this for myself.

I also disagree with the person who said "don't tell me the person starts drinking AFTER he is depressed..." well, unless you have dealt with it...you probably wouldn't understand. I am going to take a stab and say that you think a person drinks himself into being clinically depressed? Or is it more likely some guy gets so drunk off his ass, he does something stupid? Well, in any case...it doesn't matter, you're not in your right mind in either scenario. My point is, they don't have to go hand in hand. You don't need to be drunk or on drugs to be depressed.

The substance abuse thing boils down to this: Someone who willingly engages in ruining their lives by losing their job, relationships, cheating etc. by drinking and/or abusing drugs and then gets depressed as a CONSEQUENCE of such aforementioned fallout from their habits does not get my sympathy. In no way am I saying that the only people who are depressed are people who drink or do drugs. I just think the substance abusers who suffer the type of depression I just described do an injustice to people who legitimately suffer from true depression.

I give you my clinical diagnosis. You're insane.

[Ehwmatt]

I hope all of this angst is only towards celebs. Unless you deal with this yourself (like I have) and I am talking about clinically depressed (topped with anxiety, personality disorder and OCD in my case) then you really shouldn't say shit. There is a HUGE difference between feeling sad i.e "aw, damn...didn't get laid last night...what am I gonna do this weekend? *depressed*" and having a chemical imbalance in your brain. In my case, it was a few years before my brain just snapped into it. It can happen instantly. I would never wish it on anyone and I never wanted this for myself.

I also disagree with the person who said "don't tell me the person starts drinking AFTER he is depressed..." well, unless you have dealt with it...you probably wouldn't understand. I am going to take a stab and say that you think a person drinks himself into being clinically depressed? Or is it more likely some guy gets so drunk off his ass, he does something stupid? Well, in any case...it doesn't matter, you're not in your right mind in either scenario. My point is, they don't have to go hand in hand. You don't need to be drunk or on drugs to be depressed.

The substance abuse thing boils down to this: Someone who willingly engages in ruining their lives by losing their job, relationships, cheating etc. by drinking and/or abusing drugs and then gets depressed as a CONSEQUENCE of such aforementioned fallout from their habits does not get my sympathy. In no way am I saying that the only people who are depressed are people who drink or do drugs. I just think the substance abusers who suffer the type of depression I just described do an injustice to people who legitimately suffer from true depression.

I give you my clinical diagnosis. You're insane.

Funny you mention that, I'm feeling kinda manic right now.

Say, what did Neal have for dinner tonight?

[Jana]

I hope all of this angst is only towards celebs. Unless you deal with this yourself (like I have) and I am talking about clinically depressed (topped with anxiety, personality disorder and OCD in my case) then you really shouldn't say shit. There is a HUGE difference between feeling sad i.e "aw, damn...didn't get laid last night...what am I gonna do this weekend? *depressed*" and having a chemical imbalance in your brain. In my case, it was a few years before my brain just snapped into it. It can happen instantly. I would never wish it on anyone and I never wanted this for myself.

I also disagree with the person who said "don't tell me the person starts drinking AFTER he is depressed..." well, unless you have dealt with it...you probably wouldn't understand. I am going to take a stab and say that you think a person drinks himself into being clinically depressed? Or is it more likely some guy gets so drunk off his ass, he does something stupid? Well, in any case...it doesn't matter, you're not in your right mind in either scenario. My point is, they don't have to go hand in hand. You don't need to be drunk or on drugs to be depressed.

The substance abuse thing boils down to this: Someone who willingly engages in ruining their lives by losing their job, relationships, cheating etc. by drinking and/or abusing drugs and then gets depressed as a CONSEQUENCE of such aforementioned fallout from their habits does not get my sympathy. In no way am I saying that the only people who are depressed are people who drink or do drugs. I just think the substance abusers who suffer the type of depression I just described do an injustice to people who legitimately suffer from true depression.

I give you my clinical diagnosis. You're insane.

Funny you mention that, I'm feeling kinda manic right now.

Say, what did Neal have for dinner tonight?

Since I don't belong to any of his sites, like all you guys do, I wouldn't know.

[Andrew]

I have personally known 6 people in the past year that have committed suicide-I have no idea what the motive behind the suicide was

Knowing you would be my guess.

Un-fucking-acceptable.

[Rick]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

[squirt1]

Geez- You have the position of the cart and the horse reversed Matt . Many people with depression use drugs. Any doctor will tell you that they self medicate. The problem is that it adds to their condition.

[Andrew]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Sorry mate. Devistating. Look out for a PM.

[Ligzig]

I hope all of this angst is only towards celebs. Unless you deal with this yourself (like I have) and I am talking about clinically depressed (topped with anxiety, personality disorder and OCD in my case) then you really shouldn't say shit. There is a HUGE difference between feeling sad i.e "aw, damn...didn't get laid last night...what am I gonna do this weekend? *depressed*" and having a chemical imbalance in your brain. In my case, it was a few years before my brain just snapped into it. It can happen instantly. I would never wish it on anyone and I never wanted this for myself.

I also disagree with the person who said "don't tell me the person starts drinking AFTER he is depressed..." well, unless you have dealt with it...you probably wouldn't understand. I am going to take a stab and say that you think a person drinks himself into being clinically depressed? Or is it more likely some guy gets so drunk off his ass, he does something stupid? Well, in any case...it doesn't matter, you're not in your right mind in either scenario. My point is, they don't have to go hand in hand. You don't need to be drunk or on drugs to be depressed.

I guess all people with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder should just shrug that off too huh? It's as easy as that. This isn't about "being a tough guy" and toughing it out or "looking for attention" I am not really sure what type of "attention" someone can enjoy while being dead. It is a scientifically proven chemical disorder that leaves you feeling hopeless in more ways than one and as I described before...in those moments that might lead you to suicide (as I have felt, personally) It is so very dark and disturbing that I very seriously doubt anyone is thinking about the pain they might cause. It's a far more personal issue, and dealing with their own pain.....

Very good points. I just disagree with the "I hope all of this angst is only twards celebs." Celebrity or not, it's a sad situation-the celebrities are just the ones in the limelight, it doesn't mean that this isn't a problem for "regular" people as well. I have personally known 6 people in the past year that have committed suicide-I have no idea what the motive behind the suicide was but I am fairly certain that at least one was related to severe clinical depression.

Yes, I was caught up in the moment when I said that...but I agree.

later MR.

[fredinator]

I'm so sorry, Rick. So painful. God bless you.

[Jana]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

So, so sorry, Rick. Sometimes the most fragile people in life really have the most beautiful hearts.

[squirt1]

Rick- I do not have words. Your family is in my prayers.

[Angel]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

I am so sorry to hear this, Rick. You are in my thoughts and prayers darling.

[Deb]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Rick, I'm so sorry to hear this. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Deb and your family. Hugz.........

[stevew2]

I must say Dan, I always thought you were a fairly intelligent person....you've just proved me wrong.

With punctuation like that how can I even be offended?

I've been taking lessons from Stevew2.

i taught you well

[stevew2]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Hi Rick,I am sorry about your sisters death .My girlfreind sister planned her death and blew her fuckin brains out on purpose and had the star from her christmas tree sent to her house 5 days before christmas.i dont know which is worse, I cant judge, but i am truley sorry for the loss of your sister.Its not good, and please dont blame yourself for any of it.Hang in there, and be there for your family,and take care of yourself,they need you

[wednesday's child]

I'm so sorry for your loss, Rick.

[artist4perry]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Rick, I am so sorry. I am going through it with my brother now and I am praying it does not end the same. I know you love her and it is a horrible illness that devistates all around the person suffering with it. Your one of the sweetest guys here. Know I am thinking about you today, and that I wish I had the right words to ease your heart.

[SherriBerry]

Parfait, promise me that you won't become a bariatric surgeon, pulmonologist, or psychiatrist.

Podiatry.....that may be one he should consider.

Or Proctology - perhaps he and SJ can be partners since they are already experts in the field.

[parfait]

Parfait, promise me that you won't become a bariatric surgeon, pulmonologist, or psychiatrist.

Podiatry.....that may be one he should consider.

Or Proctology - perhaps he and SJ can be partners since they are already experts in the field.

Jesus. Woke up with a fucking sand dune in your axe wound today, huh?

I'm aiming for a spot in Aesthetic plastic or trauma surgery.

And I'm sorry for your loss, Rick.

[Behshad]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Sorry for your loss bro. As I told you few days ago, we are here for you. My thoughts & prayers are with you and your family. ,,,

[DrFU]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Rick, I'm truly sorry for the loss of your beloved sister.

[Luvsaugeri]

Very sorry for your loss Rick.

[TRAGChick]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Rick ~

I am SO SORRY for your loss

My Prayers go out to you and your Family......

[SherriBerry]

Parfait, promise me that you won't become a bariatric surgeon, pulmonologist, or psychiatrist.

Podiatry.....that may be one he should consider.

Or Proctology - perhaps he and SJ can be partners since they are already experts in the field.

Jesus. Woke up with a fucking sand dune in your axe wound today, huh?

I'm aiming for a spot in Aesthetic plastic or trauma surgery.

And I'm sorry for your loss, Rick.

No axe wound. At least you recognize that clinical depression exists, but just because someone has not been diagnosed with depression does not mean they do not suffer from it or that it did not cause the behaviour that led to suicide. One of the most powerful instincts we are born with is the will to survive, and for someone to overcome that and take their own life requires a lot more than a "cop-out". Of course suicide is never a solution - but a person contemplating suicide is not in a rational state of mind and equating that choice with one made by a fat person choosing to eat a cupcake and blaming society for being fat is ignorant, especially for someone who wants to be a healer. The family members I've seen suffer through this do not blame society or their loved ones - they blame themselves.

After reading the entire thread, I was glad to see you strongly defended the reality of depression as a legitimate illness - perhaps Matt can take over your specialty today. It saddens me that so many cannot differentiate between a self-indulgent person looking for excuses and attention and those who legitimately suffer from mental illness and choose to show compassion for neither as a result. I don't believe you are one of those compassionless people, Parfait.

[Suzanne]

Matt, Saint John. I have ZERO patience right now for your bullshit I attended my sisters funeral yesterday. She died of depression related illnesses. Anorexia and alcoholism. While I agree people have the benefit of free will, they are all different, and handle life's experiences in their own way. The way they grew up knowing how to deal with them. It's a learned response. Not everyone is raised to have an iron clad self esteem. She was one of the most beautiful people I have ever known. And now she's gone. She didn't jump off a bridge, or hang herself, she just did it in a longer, more drawn out way.

Rick, I am so sorry. I am going through it with my brother now and I am praying it does not end the same. I know you love her and it is a horrible illness that devistates all around the person suffering with it. Your one of the sweetest guys here. Know I am thinking about you today, and that I wish I had the right words to ease your heart.

+1 My brother has tried twice to commit suicide. He's not doing drugs and doesn't drink- anymore. He was sober for some months before slipping. He's sober again and hanging in there. His docs keep trying different meds on him but they don't seem to help enough or at all. One of his reasons for depression is because he lost his wife/soulmate and hasn't stopped missing her terribly. Anyway, he knows we all love him but there is something dark within him that we can't fix. I don't understand sometimes but I love him very much and it kills me that he is in this place and I can't do anything about it. My sympathies to anyone out there dealing with this or with someone they know who has it. The haters can piss off. You should be so lucky to be happy all of the time and have happy people around you.

[SherriBerry]

Rick, I am so sorry for your loss. I know that there are just no words. You are in my thoughts and prayers - please take care.

[Triple S]

Rick - deepest condolences.