Wood Dake, IL on August 13, 2011 - live

by **bomes** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:00 am

Summer Nights, I can't hold back, Eye of the tiger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFhgRowm ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79heV3dg ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGS9Hlpw ... re=related

by **Mikele** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:05 am

bomes wrote:Summer Nights, I can't hold back, Eye of the tiger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFhgRowm ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79heV3dg ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGS9Hlpw ... re=related

SN is very good, thanks for sharing

by **Andrew** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:08 pm

No emotion in Can't Hold Back at all.

by **MarcelJordan** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:23 am

Andrew wrote:No emotion in Can't Hold Back at all.

Sound issues it seems too.

MJ

by **scarab** » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:26 pm

yeah, it was a good idea ditching jamison, and bickler.

by **Mikele** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:52 am

I think McAuley sounds good, I would like to see the band play near

by **axecrew** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:52 am

Mikele wrote:I think McAuley sounds good, I would like to see the band play near

Then you are one of only a few......having seen Survivor live since 1982 I can tell you that that little bit was abysmal. Robin has a good voice but not for those songs. He sounded completely bored out there. How the hell do you get bored only playing 10-15 shows a year? And what the hell was that dancing shit.....was he surfing or channeling his innner axl rose?????? On the positive side sullivan looked like he was having a good time.

by **Slander** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:10 am

axecrew wrote:
Mikele wrote:I think McAuley sounds good, I would like to see the band play near

Then you are one of only a few......

No axe, there are many of us that think Robin does more than fine singing Survivor. In fact, I think Robin blows JJ out of the water on rockin' songs like Tiger, FMS, and Burning Heart. Is his voice suited more toward hard rock? Damn right. But he is twice the showman JJ is IMHO.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:12 am

"Blows" Jamison "out of the water?" On anything?

Dude, come on.

by **Slander** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:14 am

Red13JoePa wrote:"Blows" Jamison "out of the water?" On anything?

Dude, come on.

Red, I've seen Survivor on multiple occasions. The last time I saw JJ, while his voice was strong, he had as much energy on stage as 90 year old man with a walker! I understand he is doing much better now. I look forward to seeing him once again.

by **Andrew** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:25 pm

Slander wrote:. In fact, I think Robin blows JJ out of the water on rockin' songs like Tiger, FMS, and Burning Heart..

Oh dear!

by **Slander** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:08 am

Andrew wrote:
Slander wrote:. In fact, I think Robin blows JJ out of the water on rockin' songs like Tiger, FMS, and Burning Heart..

Oh dear!

I never thought JJ's voice was suited to Tiger or FMS. Clearly those songs were written with Bickler's vocals in mind. Listen, back in the day, JJ could sing his ass off, but his voice was always on the smooth side to me and not "street" sounding.

by **Joe Vana** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:20 am

[quote="Slander"][quote="axecrew"][quote="Mikele"] In fact, I think Robin blows JJ out of the water on rockin' songs like Tiger, FMS, and Burning Heart. quote]

:shock:

Wow...

I must be one deaf mother fucker because Burning Heart is one of my favorite vocals of all time...with JJ at the helm....

Robin is an amazingly talented singer...no questioning that....EVER....but I think his vocal delivery and overall sound fit the DB material well, the JJ material...no...not in my opinion....

JV

by **Joe Vana** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:22 am

Slander wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Slander wrote:. In fact, I think Robin blows JJ out of the water on rockin' songs like Tiger, FMS, and Burning Heart..

Oh dear!

I never thought JJ's voice was suited to Tiger or FMS. Clearly those songs were written with Bickler's vocals in mind. Listen, back in the day, JJ could sing his ass off, but his voice was always on the smooth side to me and not "street" sounding.

Four words....Too Hot to Sleep....

JV

by **Mikele** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:46 pm

I think stage presence and showmanship Are important for a performer, since this is rock music. McAuley pipes,live , are perfect for survivor and his stage performance makes it cool to' watch

by **MarcelJordan** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:16 pm

Joe Vana wrote:
Slander wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Slander wrote:. In fact, I think Robin blows JJ out of the water on rockin' songs like Tiger, FMS, and Burning Heart..

Oh dear!

I never thought JJ's voice was suited to Tiger or FMS. Clearly those songs were written with Bickler's vocals in mind. Listen, back in the day, JJ could sing his ass off, but his voice was always on the smooth side to me and not "street" sounding.

Four words....Too Hot to Sleep....

JV

With all due respect, THTS to me is no match for Dave's vocals in say Premonition or EOTT albums. :twisted:

MJ

by **MarcelJordan** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:19 pm

Joe Vana wrote:
Slander wrote:
axecrew wrote:
Mikele wrote: In fact, I think Robin blows JJ out of the water on rockin' songs like Tiger, FMS, and Burning Heart. quote]

Wow...

I must be one deaf mother fucker because Burning Heart is one of my favorite vocals of all time...with JJ at the helm....

Robin is an amazingly talented singer...no questioning that....EVER....but I think his vocal delivery and overall sound fit the DB material well, the JJ material...no...not in my opinion....

JV

I agree in a sense that McCauley's pitch is closer to Dave's IMO.

With regards to JJ's vocals in Burning Heart, I think JJ's just as good or maybe slightly better in The Moment Of Truth. Granted TMOT was JJ's first release for Survivor and he sounded darn youthful with perfect diction.

My fav. part in BH is when JJ's sings "Rising like a spire". Just supreme!

MJ

by **Slander** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:01 am

MarcelJordan wrote:[ THTS to me is no match for Dave's vocals in say Premonition or EOTT albums.

MJ

Premonition still stands as the best record Survivor ever put out! Runway Lights, Hearts A Lonely Hunter, Light of a Thousand Smiles! The beret at his best.

by **Slander** » Tue Sep 06, 2011 5:03 am

Mikele wrote: McAuley pipes,live , are perfect for survivor and his stage performance makes it cool to' watch

Agreed! While McAuley isn't a perfect fit for all the Survivor music, he is a perfect showman. Much like Kelly Hanson to me with Foreigner. While I love Lou Gramm, I can't imagine him fronting the band at this stage.

by **Eyeof** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:27 pm

I'm sure McAuley would sound great on "Cum on Feel the Noise" or "Metal Health", but not much in the Survivor mold for me...

by **Mikele** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 2:48 am

at this point, on renditions of past hits he will surely please some and some not, that's a fact, and happens all the time with every singer in every band. The point is to prove what they are capable of on new material that reflects the new band

by **axecrew** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:20 am

And thus the bone of contention......What new material???????????????????????????

by **G.I.Jim** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:51 am

In my humble opinion, this is not Survivor. I know many here like the new incarnation, but I just can't stomache it. After hearing Arnel bust out Survivor tunes with the Zoo a few years ago, I think he would have been a much better fit with this band than he is with Journey. Just saying. :wink:

by **JTRock** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:56 am

G.I.Jim wrote:In my humble opinion, this is not Survivor. I know many here like the new incarnation, but I just can't stomache it. After hearing Arnel bust out Survivor tunes with the Zoo a few years ago, I think he would have been a much better fit with this band than he is with Journey. Just saying.

Agreed regarding Arnel singing Survivor songs...he nails them.

by **DavidWT** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:14 am

G.I.Jim wrote:In my humble opinion, this is not Survivor.

I agree. And it's not just the change in singer. It's the fact that Survivor, to me, was the combination or JP and FS. Take either one of them out of the equation, and it's a different animal. Here it's called "McSurvivor." I tend to call it "Sullivivor." Either way, it's not Survivor, regardless of what it says on the marquee, just as JJ's band in the 90s wasn't Survivor.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:47 am

G.I.Jim wrote:In my humble opinion, this is not Survivor. I know many here like the new incarnation, but I just can't stomache it. After hearing Arnel bust out Survivor tunes with the Zoo a few years ago, I think he would have been a much better fit with this band than he is with Journey. Just saying.

Obviously, I'm happy with AP in Journey. But I agree that he would have been great in Survivor, too.

AP did a great job on Jamison and Bickler's vocals with The Zoo.

by **JTRock** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:26 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:In my humble opinion, this is not Survivor. I know many here like the new incarnation, but I just can't stomache it. After hearing Arnel bust out Survivor tunes with the Zoo a few years ago, I think he would have been a much better fit with this band than he is with Journey. Just saying.

Obviously, I'm happy with AP in Journey. But I agree that he would have been great in Survivor, too.

AP did a great job on Jamison and Bickler's vocals with The Zoo.

Me too...he does a great job with Journey...plus for him being with Journey, he's most likely making a decent living....obviously many more shows with Journey opposed to Survivor.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:38 am

G.I.Jim wrote: I know many here like the new incarnation

You can count "them" on like 1 finger.

by **Slander** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:12 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote: I know many here like the new incarnation

You can count "them" on like 1 finger.

That's utter bullshit.

by **Mikele** » Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:32 am

JTRock wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:In my humble opinion, this is not Survivor. I know many here like the new incarnation, but I just can't stomache it. After hearing Arnel bust out Survivor tunes with the Zoo a few years ago, I think he would have been a much better fit with this band than he is with Journey. Just saying.

Agreed regarding Arnel singing Survivor songs...he nails them.

Arnel is just a very good vocalist, but it doesn't deliver. Saw him live 3 times with Journey. Honestly, he's a good performer, but he can't stay on the beat in a live situation, he's accenting is not precise (and i'm not just talking about english accent here) and that makes the song sound a little bit boring. Can't face the ghost of Perry, BTW.

I think it fits better in Journey than it would in Survivor, that needs a stronger manly feel to the songs

MR

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