Styx signs with Eagle Rock for upcoming releases

[Rockwriter]

Maybe the legal agreement was not open ended and after a specific date they could release what they want.

That's plausible too

That would be plausible, but I don't think it's fact. My impression is that some permissions had to be given. I also got the distinct impression it wasn't a very cordial experience. But then again, I would have expected nothing else.


Sterling

What gave you the impression that it wasn't a cordial experience?

The complete unwillingness to talk about it and the tone underlying that unwillingness.

Sterling

[Boomchild]

Maybe the legal agreement was not open ended and after a specific date they could release what they want.

That's plausible too

That would be plausible, but I don't think it's fact. My impression is that some permissions had to be given. I also got the distinct impression it wasn't a very cordial experience. But then again, I would have expected nothing else.


Sterling

What gave you the impression that it wasn't a cordial experience?

The complete unwillingness to talk about it and the tone underlying that unwillingness.

Sterling

In other words, Dennis was giving them a dose of their own medicine. Just as they were unwilling to sit down and talk when Dennis wanted to about the issues they had in '98-'99. Don't blame Dennis one bit.

[Archetype]

Maybe the legal agreement was not open ended and after a specific date they could release what they want.

That's plausible too

That would be plausible, but I don't think it's fact. My impression is that some permissions had to be given. I also got the distinct impression it wasn't a very cordial experience. But then again, I would have expected nothing else.


Sterling

What gave you the impression that it wasn't a cordial experience?

The complete unwillingness to talk about it and the tone underlying that unwillingness.

Sterling

Did Tommy/JY personally contact Dennis for permission? Although it seems more likely that they communicated through lawyers.

[Cassie May]

Can you honestly see JY picking up a phone to talk to Dennis?? Yowsa, just imagine THAT conversation. I would imagine it was all done by lawyers, anyway--Styx IS a business, after all.

[Monker]

Can you honestly see JY picking up a phone to talk to Dennis?? Yowsa, just imagine THAT conversation. I would imagine it was all done by lawyers, anyway--Styx IS a business, after all.

Look, you guys are just missing the obvious.

Dennis HIMSELF must give permission to use those songs on video. He may have to give permission to his attorney to give the OK, or do it imporesonally with a signature...but the simple fact is HE had to deal with it.

This was not part of the old lawsuit that expired. He already had those rights. Why would Dennis be so stupid to GIVE UP those rights after a certain amount of time. It makes no logical sense at all.

Why would Styx even go through the trouble of recording the DVD if they did not already know it could be released? Those who dismissed it are very myopic. I would think this 'deal' was done a VERY long time ago.

Dennis got something out of it. Don't know what...But, that's the nature of how things work. Maybe it was money, maybe it was the rights to release versions of Tommy and JY's Styx songs. Nobody really knows right now...but, he got something out of it or he would have no reason to sign it.

This is a good deal for Styx...if they bundle the CD's with the DVD, with a decent price, I'll buy it...I'll bet a lot of people do.

[Rockwriter]

Maybe the legal agreement was not open ended and after a specific date they could release what they want.

That's plausible too

That would be plausible, but I don't think it's fact. My impression is that some permissions had to be given. I also got the distinct impression it wasn't a very cordial experience. But then again, I would have expected nothing else.


Sterling

What gave you the impression that it wasn't a cordial experience?

The complete unwillingness to talk about it and the tone underlying that unwillingness.

Sterling

In other words, Dennis was giving them a dose of their own medicine. Just as they were unwilling to sit down and talk when Dennis wanted to about the issues they had in '98-'99. Don't blame Dennis one bit.

Let me clarify I am not talking about the unwillingness of anyone to speak to one another. I am talking about the unwillingness of anyone in Styx camp to talk about the terms they reached with me, and how tersely-worded it was compared to other subjects I have routinely asked about. That seemed to hint at underlying tension to me, but beyond that I wouldn't want to read into anything. I'm not in a position to say that Dennis did this or Styx did that or anything of the sort, but I CAN say it seemed to cause a noticeable defensiveness.

I would imagine that whatever negotiations took place had to take place through management. That's what they're there for. Certainly the ex-partners who sued one another didn't pick up the phone and say, "Hey man, is it cool if we use your songs?" LOL.

Sterling

[froy]

"Monker" I'll buy it...I'll bet a lot of people do.

Really what is allot? And what's the bet?

[Rockwriter]

Can you honestly see JY picking up a phone to talk to Dennis?? Yowsa, just imagine THAT conversation. I would imagine it was all done by lawyers, anyway--Styx IS a business, after all.

Look, you guys are just missing the obvious.

Dennis HIMSELF must give permission to use those songs on video. He may have to give permission to his attorney to give the OK, or do it imporesonally with a signature...but the simple fact is HE had to deal with it.

This was not part of the old lawsuit that expired. He already had those rights. Why would Dennis be so stupid to GIVE UP those rights after a certain amount of time. It makes no logical sense at all.

Why would Styx even go through the trouble of recording the DVD if they did not already know it could be released? Those who dismissed it are very myopic. I would think this 'deal' was done a VERY long time ago.

Dennis got something out of it. Don't know what...But, that's the nature of how things work. Maybe it was money, maybe it was the rights to release versions of Tommy and JY's Styx songs. Nobody really knows right now...but, he got something out of it or he would have no reason to sign it.

This is a good deal for Styx...if they bundle the CD's with the DVD, with a decent price, I'll buy it...I'll bet a lot of people do.

I think you're almost certainly right that they must have obtained permissions prior to filming. Call me cheap, but I wouldn't go out and spend six figures of my own money to film a thing that couldn't ever be released to earn that money back. I don't think the Styx guys would, either. Simple enough to understand that.

The 'Regen' CDs are bundled together and the live DVD is going to be a separate item altogether, from what I know. However, at the right price point it'll still be a good buy, and just in time for Christmas. I know the value of that - every Christmas sales of 'The Grand Delusion' spike dramatically, especially if Amazon pairs it up with a new product. When CITA was released on DVD Amazon paired it with my book, and my sales went through the roof. Same thing happened with '100 Years From Now.' I can only hope and pray they pair me with this, LOL. It'll be a Merry Christmas indeed.

I'm in a different position because I'm on Eagle Rock's media list and I'll get all of these free in the mail as a matter of course, but if I weren't, I'd probably buy them. The 'Regen' things purely as an artifact, but I really enjoyed the TGI/Po8 concert last year and would love to own the DVD of it. I think a lot of fans might feel that way.


Sterling

[kansas666]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

[froy]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

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True but STYX gives their fans nothing to steal..

[Boomchild]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

\

True but STYX gives their fans nothing to steal..

Speaking of that, has anyone posted anything from Regurgitation 2 on YouTube? If not I wonder why.

[Monker]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

You honestly believe that it's 'hard' to pirate a DVD? It's not hard at all.

It's a bit harder to pirate a blu-ray...but even that is not impossible and not overly difficult.

[Archetype]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

\

True but STYX gives their fans nothing to steal..

Speaking of that, has anyone posted anything from Regurgitation 2 on YouTube? If not I wonder why.

Because no one owns it to put it on youtube

[mrbluesman]

Maybe it was money, maybe it was the rights to release versions of Tommy and JY's Styx songs.

Hmmmmm.....I'll bet it was the money. Just a hunch, but, I think I'm right.

[Rockwriter]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

Actually, I write about the Nashville Music Industry as well for Examiner.com, and the country demographic is almost identical to the classic rock demographic. There's no educational shortfall in country music . . . in fact probably the single most successful Internet rollout of an artist in music history is Taylor Swift. Brilliantly done, and it started in country and then expanded to pop and AC.

The difference is one of brand loyalty, not ignorance. Country fans tend to say, "I don't want to rip off Taylor Swift, I'm going to buy this fairly," where rock fans tend to just steal stuff. Sad but true.


Sterling

[Monker]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

Actually, I write about the Nashville Music Industry as well for Examiner.com, and the country demographic is almost identical to the classic rock demographic. There's no educational shortfall in country music . . . in fact probably the single most successful Internet rollout of an artist in music history is Taylor Swift. Brilliantly done, and it started in country and then expanded to pop and AC.

The difference is one of brand loyalty, not ignorance. Country fans tend to say, "I don't want to rip off Taylor Swift, I'm going to buy this fairly," where rock fans tend to just steal stuff. Sad but true.


Sterling

What do you think of Sarah Darling?

[Rockwriter]

DVDs are about the only way for a band to make money these days outside of touring, simply because they are more difficult to pirate than CDs.

The only bands making money on CD sales today are country acts. That's because their fans haven't yet figured out how to steal the music.

Actually, I write about the Nashville Music Industry as well for Examiner.com, and the country demographic is almost identical to the classic rock demographic. There's no educational shortfall in country music . . . in fact probably the single most successful Internet rollout of an artist in music history is Taylor Swift. Brilliantly done, and it started in country and then expanded to pop and AC.

The difference is one of brand loyalty, not ignorance. Country fans tend to say, "I don't want to rip off Taylor Swift, I'm going to buy this fairly," where rock fans tend to just steal stuff. Sad but true.


Sterling

What do you think of Sarah Darling?

Frankly, that's someone whom I've heard of but who I have not managed to connect with at all, so I have no opinion at this point. But at some point I'm bound to run into her or see her perform. Nashville is actually a small town more than a big city. Eventually everyone knows everyone.


Sterling

[ChicagoSTYX]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B005HWUD80/ref=dp_image_text_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music

[Baron Von Bielski]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B005HWUD80/ref=dp_image_text_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music

Both Regens for sale as one for $13.68. Release date is Oct. 4th. Boy, now I I feel REALLY ripped off.

[Boomchild]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B005HWUD80/ref=dp_image_text_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music

Both Regens for sale as one for $13.68. Release date is Oct. 4th. Boy, now I I feel REALLY ripped off.

Have you actually bought those recordings?

[styxfanNH]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B005HWUD80/ref=dp_image_text_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music

Both Regens for sale as one for $13.68. Release date is Oct. 4th. Boy, now I I feel REALLY ripped off.

Have you actually bought those recordings?

I was given the first one as a gift. Think I may have listened to it once.

[hoagiepete]

Regurgitation I AND II. Wow. Can't wait to ignore this release.

I have enjoyed Styx's current line up, seeing them at least 6 times, but this bullshit is moving me quickly to the Froy camp. Is there room in there Froy?

[Hollywood]

Regurgitation I AND II. Wow. Can't wait to ignore this release.

I have enjoyed Styx's current line up, seeing them at least 6 times, but this bullshit is moving me quickly to the Froy camp. Is there room in there Froy?

Seriously,

Why is this making people go all apeshit? If you are not interested in the product then do not buy it, simple as that. Almost every band that is no longer on their original label, even ones that have all original members, are rerecording their own material for marketing, promotional, and to sell to movie, TV, and advertisers. It has NOTHING to do with getting DDY off of the recordings, just as when DDY rerecorded Mr. Roboto without Tommy it had nothing to do with Tommy. Volkswagen wanted to use the song and DDY made tons more money as he owned the publishing AND master of the rerecord. Some bands do not sell these versions or even make them public, but they are out there. Some bands are being honest about it and some PR it as a way to sell them.

[Monker]

Regurgitation I AND II. Wow. Can't wait to ignore this release.

I have enjoyed Styx's current line up, seeing them at least 6 times, but this bullshit is moving me quickly to the Froy camp. Is there room in there Froy?

If you're serious, that makes no sense and is extremely hypocritical. You enjoy hearing them perform all of these songs without Dennis. You never complained about the various live releases, without Dennis. But, now that they are releasing studio rerecirds, it is somehow froy worthy. Just weird.

[Toph]

Regurgitation I AND II. Wow. Can't wait to ignore this release.

I have enjoyed Styx's current line up, seeing them at least 6 times, but this bullshit is moving me quickly to the Froy camp. Is there room in there Froy?

If you're serious, that makes no sense and is extremely hypocritical. You enjoy hearing them perform all of these songs without Dennis. You never complained about the various live releases, without Dennis. But, now that they are releasing studio rerecirds, it is somehow froy worthy. Just weird.

Coming from Monkey Brains....now that is hypocritical...

[froy]

Regurgitation I AND II. Wow. Can't wait to ignore this release.

I have enjoyed Styx's current line up, seeing them at least 6 times, but this bullshit is moving me quickly to the Froy camp. Is there room in there Froy?

Yes Brother Hoag come to the chapel.

[froy]

Regurgitation I AND II. Wow. Can't wait to ignore this release.


Seriously,

Why is this making people go all apeshit?

Because it's the dumbest thing this lineup has ever done next to stoning Dennis and putting their stupid photo on the PT shirt,
This lineup alienates there fans just about everyday, Only the stupids are following these goofs..

[froy]

"Hollywood

Almost every band that is no longer on their original label, even ones that have all original members, are rerecording their own material for marketing, promotional, and to sell to movie,

I will bet you the farm not 1 of these tunes will ever be sold anywhere, Nobody wants these basement versions They suck.
Only stupid Shaw thinks he will make any money off of this, He shows daily how dumb he really is..

[froy]

"Monker"said

SKIP

[Boomchild]

Regurgitation I AND II. Wow. Can't wait to ignore this release.

I have enjoyed Styx's current line up, seeing them at least 6 times, but this bullshit is moving me quickly to the Froy camp. Is there room in there Froy?

Yes Brother Hoag come to the chapel.