Religion & Morality

[verslibre]

There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Except...piss!

[majik]

So, the big hoopla against Christianity is that Christians base their evidence on a book that was written by men, who are by nature, flawed. This is the biggest argument Atheists present. Yet, science is studied and tested by, and its textbooks written by, aliens? No, men. The same flawed species. Hhhmmmm......

You can't be serious.

One says the woman was created out of a man's rib, that God made the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that Noah brought all the earth's animals on a fucking wooden boat. The other side has the theory of gravity, evolution and modern genetics (just to mention a tiny, tiny few).

Dumbest. argument. ever.

Yet, it's the same argument you Atheists have been clinging to for years.

Does gravity work better when the theory is known or does it work less when the theory is not known. Its a word that points to an unknowable power that is only truly known experientially and can only be theorised and revised conceptually.
God creating woman out of man's rib is an ancient theory/concept from a time when it was believed the earth was flat, even God is a concept about an unknowable power. God is a misunderstood word that only points to source that can never be known intellectually but it can be experienced, the knowing is in the experiencing. What is light, no scientific mind can say, only that its photons and what is a photon.... it can't be explained but it is known in experience.
What knows this experience ? consciousness does and what is consciousness ? its an unknowable mysterious power that you evidently are. Everything is known in consciousness which is another word for God. Consciousness is the source of all even the concepts God and gravity.

If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations. Of course it works better when the theory is know. Classical physics are based on Newtons theories of motion - without them we wouldn't have modern infrastructure or any sort of proper machine. Consciousness is just a term for the neuronal interactions in the brain and spine. It can be explained perfectly well through science. It's simply put electrical current, traveling between synapses by voltage differences. Your emotions are the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

It's far from a unknowable mystery that I am. I'm the result of the insemination of a sperm cell with its own specific genome and an ovum. The creation of life is pretty awesome, but far from the mystery you make it out to be. You see, the universe/world whatever you want to call it, doesn't care if you I live or die. It's not a sentient being or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit. There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Religion deals with this by making up some sort of goal or purpose.

Clearly you don't know what the word theory means, its an idea or set of ideas about something, ultimately the theory of general relativity is an idea only. The christian has the bible as his handbook and the scientist has his handbook of equations and ideas, no difference and the final word on what this is will never be written.

The universe/world indeed is impersonal and does not care if you or I live or die and sure its not a sentient being, so what! the person is a construct too and only appears in language, there is only impersonal. But its more than "pretty awesome" there is far more unknown than known which means a greater mystery here than you care to admit.

As for biochemical reaction to external stimuli this is at best simplistic and doesn't explain a thing. If hearing sound is the result of a biochemical reaction to external stimuli then what is silence, its not stimulating the mechanics of hearing but the silence is known...... not because of absence but presence, the presence of silence. There is infinite silence in the universe and when I am silent I am that silence and not separate to it. Science knows nothing about silence as its seen as nothing yet it does exist, out of silence sound appears and into it disappears.
Space is what.... nothing, yet its known to exist, not because of biochemicals, space is not nothing it is no-thing.

There is no meaning to anything.....true.
No purpose...... true.
No nothing....... well can you deny existence ? its obviously not nothing, it is however no-thing that can be known or learned through books. Here it is !

[Behshad]

So, the big hoopla against Christianity is that Christians base their evidence on a book that was written by men, who are by nature, flawed. This is the biggest argument Atheists present. Yet, science is studied and tested by, and its textbooks written by, aliens? No, men. The same flawed species. Hhhmmmm......

You can't be serious.

One says the woman was created out of a man's rib, that God made the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that Noah brought all the earth's animals on a fucking wooden boat. The other side has the theory of gravity, evolution and modern genetics (just to mention a tiny, tiny few).

Dumbest. argument. ever.

Yet, it's the same argument you Atheists have been clinging to for years.

Does gravity work better when the theory is known or does it work less when the theory is not known. Its a word that points to an unknowable power that is only truly known experientially and can only be theorised and revised conceptually.
God creating woman out of man's rib is an ancient theory/concept from a time when it was believed the earth was flat, even God is a concept about an unknowable power. God is a misunderstood word that only points to source that can never be known intellectually but it can be experienced, the knowing is in the experiencing. What is light, no scientific mind can say, only that its photons and what is a photon.... it can't be explained but it is known in experience.
What knows this experience ? consciousness does and what is consciousness ? its an unknowable mysterious power that you evidently are. Everything is known in consciousness which is another word for God. Consciousness is the source of all even the concepts God and gravity.

If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations. Of course it works better when the theory is know. Classical physics are based on Newtons theories of motion - without them we wouldn't have modern infrastructure or any sort of proper machine. Consciousness is just a term for the neuronal interactions in the brain and spine. It can be explained perfectly well through science. It's simply put electrical current, traveling between synapses by voltage differences. Your emotions are the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

It's far from a unknowable mystery that I am. I'm the result of the insemination of a sperm cell with its own specific genome and an ovum. The creation of life is pretty awesome, but far from the mystery you make it out to be. You see, the universe/world whatever you want to call it, doesn't care if you I live or die. It's not a sentient being or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit. There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Religion deals with this by making up some sort of goal or purpose.

Clearly you don't know what the word theory means, its an idea or set of ideas about something, ultimately the theory of general relativity is an idea only. The christian has the bible as his handbook and the scientist has his handbook of equations and ideas, no difference and the final word on what this is will never be written.

The universe/world indeed is impersonal and does not care if you or I live or die and sure its not a sentient being, so what! the person is a construct too and only appears in language, there is only impersonal. But its more than "pretty awesome" there is far more unknown than known which means a greater mystery here than you care to admit.

As for biochemical reaction to external stimuli this is at best simplistic and doesn't explain a thing. If hearing sound is the result of a biochemical reaction to external stimuli then what is silence, its not stimulating the mechanics of hearing but the silence is known...... not because of absence but presence, the presence of silence. There is infinite silence in the universe and when I am silent I am that silence and not separate to it. Science knows nothing about silence as its seen as nothing yet it does exist, out of silence sound appears and into it disappears.
Space is what.... nothing, yet its known to exist, not because of biochemicals, space is not nothing it is no-thing.

There is no meaning to anything.....true.
No purpose...... true.
No nothing....... well can you deny existence ? its obviously not nothing, it is however no-thing that can be known or learned through books. Here it is !

Bingo! He will never understand that Theories =/= Fact !

[parfait]

So, the big hoopla against Christianity is that Christians base their evidence on a book that was written by men, who are by nature, flawed. This is the biggest argument Atheists present. Yet, science is studied and tested by, and its textbooks written by, aliens? No, men. The same flawed species. Hhhmmmm......

You can't be serious.

One says the woman was created out of a man's rib, that God made the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that Noah brought all the earth's animals on a fucking wooden boat. The other side has the theory of gravity, evolution and modern genetics (just to mention a tiny, tiny few).

Dumbest. argument. ever.

Yet, it's the same argument you Atheists have been clinging to for years.

Does gravity work better when the theory is known or does it work less when the theory is not known. Its a word that points to an unknowable power that is only truly known experientially and can only be theorised and revised conceptually.
God creating woman out of man's rib is an ancient theory/concept from a time when it was believed the earth was flat, even God is a concept about an unknowable power. God is a misunderstood word that only points to source that can never be known intellectually but it can be experienced, the knowing is in the experiencing. What is light, no scientific mind can say, only that its photons and what is a photon.... it can't be explained but it is known in experience.
What knows this experience ? consciousness does and what is consciousness ? its an unknowable mysterious power that you evidently are. Everything is known in consciousness which is another word for God. Consciousness is the source of all even the concepts God and gravity.

If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations. Of course it works better when the theory is know. Classical physics are based on Newtons theories of motion - without them we wouldn't have modern infrastructure or any sort of proper machine. Consciousness is just a term for the neuronal interactions in the brain and spine. It can be explained perfectly well through science. It's simply put electrical current, traveling between synapses by voltage differences. Your emotions are the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

It's far from a unknowable mystery that I am. I'm the result of the insemination of a sperm cell with its own specific genome and an ovum. The creation of life is pretty awesome, but far from the mystery you make it out to be. You see, the universe/world whatever you want to call it, doesn't care if you I live or die. It's not a sentient being or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit. There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Religion deals with this by making up some sort of goal or purpose.

Clearly you don't know what the word theory means, its an idea or set of ideas about something, ultimately the theory of general relativity is an idea only. The christian has the bible as his handbook and the scientist has his handbook of equations and ideas, no difference and the final word on what this is will never be written.

The universe/world indeed is impersonal and does not care if you or I live or die and sure its not a sentient being, so what! the person is a construct too and only appears in language, there is only impersonal. But its more than "pretty awesome" there is far more unknown than known which means a greater mystery here than you care to admit.

As for biochemical reaction to external stimuli this is at best simplistic and doesn't explain a thing. If hearing sound is the result of a biochemical reaction to external stimuli then what is silence, its not stimulating the mechanics of hearing but the silence is known...... not because of absence but presence, the presence of silence. There is infinite silence in the universe and when I am silent I am that silence and not separate to it. Science knows nothing about silence as its seen as nothing yet it does exist, out of silence sound appears and into it disappears.
Space is what.... nothing, yet its known to exist, not because of biochemicals, space is not nothing it is no-thing.

There is no meaning to anything.....true.
No purpose...... true.
No nothing....... well can you deny existence ? its obviously not nothing, it is however no-thing that can be known or learned through books. Here it is !

This is getting old. There's a major difference between the everyday use of the word theory, and the scientific use of it. A theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Facts are interesting, but basically just a testable observation. Theories are the most important thing in science, and consists of logical constructs of facts, tested hypothesis and laws, and is then put together in a logical fashion to understand a natural phenomena. When arranged in order, from most to least important: Theory -> Laws -> Hypothesis -> Facts. This is something one learns in science class in high school - at least here in Europe.

Silence is just the lack of audible sound. Space is far from silent though - maybe for us humans, but it's teeming with sounds. Sounds are just the oscillations of a propagating mechanical wave of pressure through a given medium. Something being unknown doesn't mean that it's mysterious or magical - it's just unknown.

[Behshad]

So, the big hoopla against Christianity is that Christians base their evidence on a book that was written by men, who are by nature, flawed. This is the biggest argument Atheists present. Yet, science is studied and tested by, and its textbooks written by, aliens? No, men. The same flawed species. Hhhmmmm......

You can't be serious.

One says the woman was created out of a man's rib, that God made the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that Noah brought all the earth's animals on a fucking wooden boat. The other side has the theory of gravity, evolution and modern genetics (just to mention a tiny, tiny few).

Dumbest. argument. ever.

Yet, it's the same argument you Atheists have been clinging to for years.

Does gravity work better when the theory is known or does it work less when the theory is not known. Its a word that points to an unknowable power that is only truly known experientially and can only be theorised and revised conceptually.
God creating woman out of man's rib is an ancient theory/concept from a time when it was believed the earth was flat, even God is a concept about an unknowable power. God is a misunderstood word that only points to source that can never be known intellectually but it can be experienced, the knowing is in the experiencing. What is light, no scientific mind can say, only that its photons and what is a photon.... it can't be explained but it is known in experience.
What knows this experience ? consciousness does and what is consciousness ? its an unknowable mysterious power that you evidently are. Everything is known in consciousness which is another word for God. Consciousness is the source of all even the concepts God and gravity.

If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations. Of course it works better when the theory is know. Classical physics are based on Newtons theories of motion - without them we wouldn't have modern infrastructure or any sort of proper machine. Consciousness is just a term for the neuronal interactions in the brain and spine. It can be explained perfectly well through science. It's simply put electrical current, traveling between synapses by voltage differences. Your emotions are the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

It's far from a unknowable mystery that I am. I'm the result of the insemination of a sperm cell with its own specific genome and an ovum. The creation of life is pretty awesome, but far from the mystery you make it out to be. You see, the universe/world whatever you want to call it, doesn't care if you I live or die. It's not a sentient being or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit. There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Religion deals with this by making up some sort of goal or purpose.

Clearly you don't know what the word theory means, its an idea or set of ideas about something, ultimately the theory of general relativity is an idea only. The christian has the bible as his handbook and the scientist has his handbook of equations and ideas, no difference and the final word on what this is will never be written.

The universe/world indeed is impersonal and does not care if you or I live or die and sure its not a sentient being, so what! the person is a construct too and only appears in language, there is only impersonal. But its more than "pretty awesome" there is far more unknown than known which means a greater mystery here than you care to admit.

As for biochemical reaction to external stimuli this is at best simplistic and doesn't explain a thing. If hearing sound is the result of a biochemical reaction to external stimuli then what is silence, its not stimulating the mechanics of hearing but the silence is known...... not because of absence but presence, the presence of silence. There is infinite silence in the universe and when I am silent I am that silence and not separate to it. Science knows nothing about silence as its seen as nothing yet it does exist, out of silence sound appears and into it disappears.
Space is what.... nothing, yet its known to exist, not because of biochemicals, space is not nothing it is no-thing.

There is no meaning to anything.....true.
No purpose...... true.
No nothing....... well can you deny existence ? its obviously not nothing, it is however no-thing that can be known or learned through books. Here it is !

This is getting old. There's a major difference between the everyday use of the word theory, and the scientific use of it. A theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Facts are interesting, but basically just a testable observation. Theories are the most important thing in science, and consists of logical constructs of facts, tested hypothesis and laws, and is then put together in a logical fashion to understand a natural phenomena. When arranged in order, from most to least important: Theory -> Laws -> Hypothesis -> Facts. This is something one learns in science class in high school - at least here in Europe.

Silence is just the lack of audible sound. Space is far from silent though - maybe for us humans, but it's teeming with sounds. Sounds are just the oscillations of a propagating mechanical wave of pressure through a given medium. Something being unknown doesn't mean that it's mysterious or magical - it's just unknown.

But in your mind : EVERY THEORY = FACT!

Half of your BS youve copied and pasted in the past are still in the THEORY stage, but in YOUR mind, since you agree with them , you have decided that they are indeed FACTS and not theories no more .

[S2M]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

[majik]

So, the big hoopla against Christianity is that Christians base their evidence on a book that was written by men, who are by nature, flawed. This is the biggest argument Atheists present. Yet, science is studied and tested by, and its textbooks written by, aliens? No, men. The same flawed species. Hhhmmmm......

You can't be serious.

One says the woman was created out of a man's rib, that God made the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that Noah brought all the earth's animals on a fucking wooden boat. The other side has the theory of gravity, evolution and modern genetics (just to mention a tiny, tiny few).

Dumbest. argument. ever.

Yet, it's the same argument you Atheists have been clinging to for years.

Does gravity work better when the theory is known or does it work less when the theory is not known. Its a word that points to an unknowable power that is only truly known experientially and can only be theorised and revised conceptually.
God creating woman out of man's rib is an ancient theory/concept from a time when it was believed the earth was flat, even God is a concept about an unknowable power. God is a misunderstood word that only points to source that can never be known intellectually but it can be experienced, the knowing is in the experiencing. What is light, no scientific mind can say, only that its photons and what is a photon.... it can't be explained but it is known in experience.
What knows this experience ? consciousness does and what is consciousness ? its an unknowable mysterious power that you evidently are. Everything is known in consciousness which is another word for God. Consciousness is the source of all even the concepts God and gravity.

If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations. Of course it works better when the theory is know. Classical physics are based on Newtons theories of motion - without them we wouldn't have modern infrastructure or any sort of proper machine. Consciousness is just a term for the neuronal interactions in the brain and spine. It can be explained perfectly well through science. It's simply put electrical current, traveling between synapses by voltage differences. Your emotions are the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

It's far from a unknowable mystery that I am. I'm the result of the insemination of a sperm cell with its own specific genome and an ovum. The creation of life is pretty awesome, but far from the mystery you make it out to be. You see, the universe/world whatever you want to call it, doesn't care if you I live or die. It's not a sentient being or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit. There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Religion deals with this by making up some sort of goal or purpose.

Clearly you don't know what the word theory means, its an idea or set of ideas about something, ultimately the theory of general relativity is an idea only. The christian has the bible as his handbook and the scientist has his handbook of equations and ideas, no difference and the final word on what this is will never be written.

The universe/world indeed is impersonal and does not care if you or I live or die and sure its not a sentient being, so what! the person is a construct too and only appears in language, there is only impersonal. But its more than "pretty awesome" there is far more unknown than known which means a greater mystery here than you care to admit.

As for biochemical reaction to external stimuli this is at best simplistic and doesn't explain a thing. If hearing sound is the result of a biochemical reaction to external stimuli then what is silence, its not stimulating the mechanics of hearing but the silence is known...... not because of absence but presence, the presence of silence. There is infinite silence in the universe and when I am silent I am that silence and not separate to it. Science knows nothing about silence as its seen as nothing yet it does exist, out of silence sound appears and into it disappears.
Space is what.... nothing, yet its known to exist, not because of biochemicals, space is not nothing it is no-thing.

There is no meaning to anything.....true.
No purpose...... true.
No nothing....... well can you deny existence ? its obviously not nothing, it is however no-thing that can be known or learned through books. Here it is !

This is getting old. There's a major difference between the everyday use of the word theory, and the scientific use of it. A theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Facts are interesting, but basically just a testable observation. Theories are the most important thing in science, and consists of logical constructs of facts, tested hypothesis and laws, and is then put together in a logical fashion to understand a natural phenomena. When arranged in order, from most to least important: Theory -> Laws -> Hypothesis -> Facts. This is something one learns in science class in high school - at least here in Europe.

Silence is just the lack of audible sound. Space is far from silent though - maybe for us humans, but it's teeming with sounds. Sounds are just the oscillations of a propagating mechanical wave of pressure through a given medium. Something being unknown doesn't mean that it's mysterious or magical - it's just unknown.

"This is getting old"
This is ever fresh and ever new and never repeats itself yet always remains real. While theories/ideas on the other hand become old and tired and need to be re-written.

"Theory->Laws->Hypothesis->Facts."
More accurately put...... Reality-> Real. -> theory ( ideas ) ->laws (theory) ->Hypothesis (theory)-> Facts (theoretical) -> Reality. All about reality, begins with Reality and ends with Reality.

Silence is not the lack of sound, its a known real phenomenon that doesn't cease when sound is generated, silence is always present and is not the opposite of sound.

Look up the word theory in the dictionary its meaning does not change when used scientifically vs. everyday use, now that is bull crap.

Both the Pope and the scientist are snake oil charmers

[Duncan]

So, the big hoopla against Christianity is that Christians base their evidence on a book that was written by men, who are by nature, flawed. This is the biggest argument Atheists present. Yet, science is studied and tested by, and its textbooks written by, aliens? No, men. The same flawed species. Hhhmmmm......

You can't be serious.

One says the woman was created out of a man's rib, that God made the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that Noah brought all the earth's animals on a fucking wooden boat. The other side has the theory of gravity, evolution and modern genetics (just to mention a tiny, tiny few).

Dumbest. argument. ever.

Yet, it's the same argument you Atheists have been clinging to for years.

Does gravity work better when the theory is known or does it work less when the theory is not known. Its a word that points to an unknowable power that is only truly known experientially and can only be theorised and revised conceptually.
God creating woman out of man's rib is an ancient theory/concept from a time when it was believed the earth was flat, even God is a concept about an unknowable power. God is a misunderstood word that only points to source that can never be known intellectually but it can be experienced, the knowing is in the experiencing. What is light, no scientific mind can say, only that its photons and what is a photon.... it can't be explained but it is known in experience.
What knows this experience ? consciousness does and what is consciousness ? its an unknowable mysterious power that you evidently are. Everything is known in consciousness which is another word for God. Consciousness is the source of all even the concepts God and gravity.

If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations. Of course it works better when the theory is know. Classical physics are based on Newtons theories of motion - without them we wouldn't have modern infrastructure or any sort of proper machine. Consciousness is just a term for the neuronal interactions in the brain and spine. It can be explained perfectly well through science. It's simply put electrical current, traveling between synapses by voltage differences. Your emotions are the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

It's far from a unknowable mystery that I am. I'm the result of the insemination of a sperm cell with its own specific genome and an ovum. The creation of life is pretty awesome, but far from the mystery you make it out to be. You see, the universe/world whatever you want to call it, doesn't care if you I live or die. It's not a sentient being or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit. There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Religion deals with this by making up some sort of goal or purpose.

Clearly you don't know what the word theory means, its an idea or set of ideas about something, ultimately the theory of general relativity is an idea only. The christian has the bible as his handbook and the scientist has his handbook of equations and ideas, no difference and the final word on what this is will never be written.

The universe/world indeed is impersonal and does not care if you or I live or die and sure its not a sentient being, so what! the person is a construct too and only appears in language, there is only impersonal. But its more than "pretty awesome" there is far more unknown than known which means a greater mystery here than you care to admit.

As for biochemical reaction to external stimuli this is at best simplistic and doesn't explain a thing. If hearing sound is the result of a biochemical reaction to external stimuli then what is silence, its not stimulating the mechanics of hearing but the silence is known...... not because of absence but presence, the presence of silence. There is infinite silence in the universe and when I am silent I am that silence and not separate to it. Science knows nothing about silence as its seen as nothing yet it does exist, out of silence sound appears and into it disappears.
Space is what.... nothing, yet its known to exist, not because of biochemicals, space is not nothing it is no-thing.

There is no meaning to anything.....true.
No purpose...... true.
No nothing....... well can you deny existence ? its obviously not nothing, it is however no-thing that can be known or learned through books. Here it is !

This is getting old. There's a major difference between the everyday use of the word theory, and the scientific use of it. A theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Facts are interesting, but basically just a testable observation. Theories are the most important thing in science, and consists of logical constructs of facts, tested hypothesis and laws, and is then put together in a logical fashion to understand a natural phenomena. When arranged in order, from most to least important: Theory -> Laws -> Hypothesis -> Facts. This is something one learns in science class in high school - at least here in Europe.

Silence is just the lack of audible sound. Space is far from silent though - maybe for us humans, but it's teeming with sounds. Sounds are just the oscillations of a propagating mechanical wave of pressure through a given medium. Something being unknown doesn't mean that it's mysterious or magical - it's just unknown.

"This is getting old"
This is ever fresh and ever new and never repeats itself yet always remains real. While theories/ideas on the other hand become old and tired and need to be re-written.

"Theory->Laws->Hypothesis->Facts."
More accurately put...... Reality-> Real. -> theory ( ideas ) ->laws (theory) ->Hypothesis (theory)-> Facts (theoretical) -> Reality. All about reality, begins with Reality and ends with Reality.

Silence is not the lack of sound, its a known real phenomenon that doesn't cease when sound is generated, silence is always present and is not the opposite of sound.

Look up the word theory in the dictionary its meaning does not change when used scientifically vs. everyday use, now that is bull crap.

Both the Pope and the scientist are snake oil charmers

You are just plain wrong.

[steveo777]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

This is a classic post from you, almost like you got drunk and uttered those words right into the mirror and the crap that reflected back....well, you simply posted it on the first internet forum where you didn't need to remember the password to log in. Good Job, Sean!

[Argus]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

Want to cite this S2M?

"Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision." -Larn Sater, The Falcon of Ganst.

ETA author Jennifer L. Post

[steveo777]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

Want to cite this S2M?

"Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision." -Larn Sater, The Falcon of Ganst.

Ain't that known as "artificial intelligence"? Cut-n-Paste professors abound!

[majik]

So, the big hoopla against Christianity is that Christians base their evidence on a book that was written by men, who are by nature, flawed. This is the biggest argument Atheists present. Yet, science is studied and tested by, and its textbooks written by, aliens? No, men. The same flawed species. Hhhmmmm......

You can't be serious.

One says the woman was created out of a man's rib, that God made the universe in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that Noah brought all the earth's animals on a fucking wooden boat. The other side has the theory of gravity, evolution and modern genetics (just to mention a tiny, tiny few).

Dumbest. argument. ever.

Yet, it's the same argument you Atheists have been clinging to for years.

Does gravity work better when the theory is known or does it work less when the theory is not known. Its a word that points to an unknowable power that is only truly known experientially and can only be theorised and revised conceptually.
God creating woman out of man's rib is an ancient theory/concept from a time when it was believed the earth was flat, even God is a concept about an unknowable power. God is a misunderstood word that only points to source that can never be known intellectually but it can be experienced, the knowing is in the experiencing. What is light, no scientific mind can say, only that its photons and what is a photon.... it can't be explained but it is known in experience.
What knows this experience ? consciousness does and what is consciousness ? its an unknowable mysterious power that you evidently are. Everything is known in consciousness which is another word for God. Consciousness is the source of all even the concepts God and gravity.

If the theory hadn't been known (theory of general relativity), then we wouldn't have any sort of modern cosmology, as its models are based on Einstein's equations. Of course it works better when the theory is know. Classical physics are based on Newtons theories of motion - without them we wouldn't have modern infrastructure or any sort of proper machine. Consciousness is just a term for the neuronal interactions in the brain and spine. It can be explained perfectly well through science. It's simply put electrical current, traveling between synapses by voltage differences. Your emotions are the complex psychophysiological experience of an individual's state of mind as interacting with biochemical (internal) and environmental (external) influences.

It's far from a unknowable mystery that I am. I'm the result of the insemination of a sperm cell with its own specific genome and an ovum. The creation of life is pretty awesome, but far from the mystery you make it out to be. You see, the universe/world whatever you want to call it, doesn't care if you I live or die. It's not a sentient being or some other mumbo jumbo bullshit. There's no meaning to anything. No purpose. No nothing. Religion deals with this by making up some sort of goal or purpose.

Clearly you don't know what the word theory means, its an idea or set of ideas about something, ultimately the theory of general relativity is an idea only. The christian has the bible as his handbook and the scientist has his handbook of equations and ideas, no difference and the final word on what this is will never be written.

The universe/world indeed is impersonal and does not care if you or I live or die and sure its not a sentient being, so what! the person is a construct too and only appears in language, there is only impersonal. But its more than "pretty awesome" there is far more unknown than known which means a greater mystery here than you care to admit.

As for biochemical reaction to external stimuli this is at best simplistic and doesn't explain a thing. If hearing sound is the result of a biochemical reaction to external stimuli then what is silence, its not stimulating the mechanics of hearing but the silence is known...... not because of absence but presence, the presence of silence. There is infinite silence in the universe and when I am silent I am that silence and not separate to it. Science knows nothing about silence as its seen as nothing yet it does exist, out of silence sound appears and into it disappears.
Space is what.... nothing, yet its known to exist, not because of biochemicals, space is not nothing it is no-thing.

There is no meaning to anything.....true.
No purpose...... true.
No nothing....... well can you deny existence ? its obviously not nothing, it is however no-thing that can be known or learned through books. Here it is !

This is getting old. There's a major difference between the everyday use of the word theory, and the scientific use of it. A theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Facts are interesting, but basically just a testable observation. Theories are the most important thing in science, and consists of logical constructs of facts, tested hypothesis and laws, and is then put together in a logical fashion to understand a natural phenomena. When arranged in order, from most to least important: Theory -> Laws -> Hypothesis -> Facts. This is something one learns in science class in high school - at least here in Europe.

Silence is just the lack of audible sound. Space is far from silent though - maybe for us humans, but it's teeming with sounds. Sounds are just the oscillations of a propagating mechanical wave of pressure through a given medium. Something being unknown doesn't mean that it's mysterious or magical - it's just unknown.

"This is getting old"
This is ever fresh and ever new and never repeats itself yet always remains real. While theories/ideas on the other hand become old and tired and need to be re-written.

"Theory->Laws->Hypothesis->Facts."
More accurately put...... Reality-> Real. -> theory ( ideas ) ->laws (theory) ->Hypothesis (theory)-> Facts (theoretical) -> Reality. All about reality, begins with Reality and ends with Reality.

Silence is not the lack of sound, its a known real phenomenon that doesn't cease when sound is generated, silence is always present and is not the opposite of sound.

Look up the word theory in the dictionary its meaning does not change when used scientifically vs. everyday use, now that is bull crap.

Both the Pope and the scientist are snake oil charmers

You are just plain wrong.

Exactly !!!!!

If you have read my previous posts I have repeated often that No concept, theory/idea,label, word or combination of words or symbols can explain what This here/now Is. Given that the dictionary is full with words I would have to be just plain WRONG by default. There is no claim here to be right about anything, its all Wrong thats what I Am saying!!

The religious will tell you they are right and throw scripture at you, the scientist will tell you they are right and throw theories at you which then becomes belief.
As I said before Words Can Only Point to reality and what reality is cannot be said but it can be Known in experiencing. No words or theory is needed to experience "This" is-ness.

Forget what you've been told and experience what this is for yourself As It Is and not what you think it is or ought to be. Is it world? thats a concept, is it body and biochemical ? thats a concept, all propped up by more concepts. Throw all the conceptualisation away for a moment does "this" disappear ? no.... but the concepts do!! Now throw "this"( what is ) away........ it can't be done can it ? because its Reality.

Its liberating to Know I Am wrong about everything than to be limited by a mind full of belief in concepts/theories and ideas. Try it, its freedom, not for the person but from the person.

Maybe I'll finish here with that instead of adding more waffle to the waffle.

[Duncan]

I have read all your posts and haven't a clue what your talking about. Do you have a lot of crystals in your house?

[majik]

I have read all your posts and haven't a clue what your talking about. Do you have a lot of crystals in your house?

Well thanks for reading, not sure if your question is for laughs but the answer is no, no crystals. I do agree that I'm on a different wave length and most likely not understood but if one word like " theory " can be so misunderstood its to be expected.

[S2M]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

Want to cite this S2M?

"Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision." -Larn Sater, The Falcon of Ganst.

ETA author Jennifer L. Post

Snagged it off FB. There was nothing to cite. But thanks for policing my posts. And there was nothing cited where I snagged it from...no big deal. I found it apropos.

[Argus]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

Want to cite this S2M?

"Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision." -Larn Sater, The Falcon of Ganst.

ETA author Jennifer L. Post

Snagged it off FB. There was nothing to cite. But thanks for policing my posts. And there was nothing cited where I snagged it from...no big deal. I found it apropos.

Well, considering you were getting flak over the quote I thought I would help you out by citing where it came from

[Behshad]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

Want to cite this S2M?

"Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision." -Larn Sater, The Falcon of Ganst.

ETA author Jennifer L. Post

Snagged it off FB. There was nothing to cite. But thanks for policing my posts. And there was nothing cited where I snagged it from...no big deal. I found it apropos.

Well, considering you were taking credit for the quote I thought I would set you and everyone else straight

[Argus]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

Want to cite this S2M?

"Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision." -Larn Sater, The Falcon of Ganst.

ETA author Jennifer L. Post

Snagged it off FB. There was nothing to cite. But thanks for policing my posts. And there was nothing cited where I snagged it from...no big deal. I found it apropos.

Well, considering you were taking credit for the quote I thought I would set you and everyone else straight

ISWYDT

[S2M]

Yeah, and next time you use,

Come hell or highwater
Bend but don't break
A stitch in time.....
Cut off his nose to spite his face
Threw out the baby with the bath water

I want you to cite the originator, ok?

No one was giving me a "hard time" about the passage....you just felt the need to call me out on it.

And B, I'm sad to hear your Transvaginal Mesh Patch Surgery didn't take...such a shame.

[Behshad]

And B, I'm sad to hear your Transvaginal Mesh Patch Surgery didn't take...such a shame.

Well yours only worked cause you paid more and got a better doctor Wish I had medicaid too

[BobbyinTN]

"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid."

Absolutely correct!

[Greg]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

I want you to go back and re-read what you have just written. It applies a lot more toward an atheistic or agnostic way of thinking than it would a religious.

[Duncan]

Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision.

The pope is nothing more than a snake-oil salesman...

Want to cite this S2M?

"Illusion is the easiest magic in the world; because people simply see and believe what they wish to see and believe. It is far more difficult to make someone acknowledge a truth they do not wish to accept, than it is to create a lie which fits their vision." -Larn Sater, The Falcon of Ganst.

ETA author Jennifer L. Post

Snagged it off FB. There was nothing to cite. But thanks for policing my posts. And there was nothing cited where I snagged it from...no big deal. I found it apropos.

Well, considering you were taking credit for the quote I thought I would set you and everyone else straight

Just not true, but why focus on the minutia. the truth of the statement stands, but i recognise it applies to both sides of the argument. Nevertheless, our truth comes down to evidence, it all comes back to evidence. By the way, I nicked that line.

[majik]

S2M "Maybe faith is just a case of not having anything else left?"

When there isn't ANYTHING else left including faith what remains then ?

[majik]

We know nothing about [God, the world] at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. Possibly we shall know a little more than we do now. but the real nature of things, that we shall never know, never. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, Page 208)

[S2M]

"Go fuck ye selves.". *S2M 9/17/11*

[artist4perry]

I never understand why it truly matters to those without religion, that others have a faith. If the faith they have causes no harm to anyone, makes them stronger, helps them in times of trouble, and reinforces their love and empathy for their fellow man then truly what is your beef?

The fact that you cannot wrap your head around the concept?

Do you ever think for a moment that what you propose as the explanation for the origins of life itself is a bit hard to just accept because some scientist said so? Scientist are men and quite fallible. Science in itself should always be questioning itself in order to remain a true science. I question those scientists who say they have a good grasp on what is the true theory, without ever allowing anyone to question said theory. We question that theory. Sweet and simple.

[conversationpc]

"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid."

Absolutely correct!

Absolutely incorrect!

If "faith" actually does cause the contrary, well, then it's not really faith is it? Sounds more like lack of faith to me.

[G.I.Jim]

"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid."

Absolutely correct!

How can you even say this with a straight face? Selfish? Yeah... churches never do anything for communities or people around the world. They don't donate their money to help others. They don't volunteer at homeless shelters and feed the hungry. They don't pool their resources together and help people pay bills or even build some people houses who can't afford them. They really are mean, selfish people. WTH???

[majik]

"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid."

Absolutely correct!

That imo is the result of belief and not the result of faith.

Belief or beliefs is objective, belief in this (objective) or no belief in that (objective)
The word Faith on the other hand imo, points to the subjective, which cannot be expressed in words, to do so would be back in objective belief.

To assert belief in God is to objectify God.

Faith is silent, still, Knowing out of which flows compassion.


edit; one word for ( perhaps ) clarity.