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Postby masque » Wed May 16, 2012 11:23 pm

Toph wrote:
brywool wrote:Styx puts on a SHOW like they always have, even with Dennis (remember Dennis' rising piano? Remember Dennis' robot suit? Remember his musketeer hat and sword in 77? ) . Styx puts on a killer show now, they always have.


Their show now sucks.


nope....you're wrong there toph....you may not like the band without dennis but the show is killer.
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Postby Toph » Wed May 16, 2012 11:26 pm

gr8dane wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Toph wrote:
masque wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Toph wrote:Face it. You blindfold a random fan (no, not a crazy die hard like you people) and have them sit through both concerts. You then ask them, ok you've heard two bands and their songs selections, which one was Styx? 99% of people will say its Dennis's bands. He really should bill himself as the one act that gives you all the Styx hits. Because by far and away his set list is much closer to what the average fan wants to hear than Styx's.


But isn't it lucky.You and I are getting pretty much what we want.
I want a Styx where I don't have to watch Dennis on stage and hear his top charted singles/ballads.

You get the voice of Dennis playing all his hits, that are so important to you, because they charted so high.
You don't like any of the musicians in Styx ,and in your opinion Dennis' band are so much better.
They also dress better and have better hair cuts.Dennis is playing the exact amount gigs a year,you like, compared to Styx.
You get the jokes and the report on how long Dennis has been together with Suzanne.

So at the end of the day it's a win-win situation right there.Don't you think?

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Dennis needs the name - then I'll be happy.


That's just it, he doesn't If those songs were stiffs and went nowhere I could see wanting to forget about them but, when they were well liked based on how they charted and sold albums it's just odd.

Not odd really.Like today and like forever, most hits are fly by night.Here today gone tomorrow.Babe was a rocket and then it fizzled and became a joke.


That "joke" is still 30 years later, their most played song on the radio in total number of annual plays. Yeah it really fizzled...
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Postby Boomchild » Wed May 16, 2012 11:42 pm

gr8dane wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
brywool wrote:Styx puts on a SHOW like they always have, even with Dennis (remember Dennis' rising piano? Remember Dennis' robot suit? Remember his musketeer hat and sword in 77? ) . Styx puts on a killer show now, they always have.


Except for ignoring songs that were what made them what they are about. Sorry, it just isn't the same when you remove a key player such as Dennis was. You may like it or not but, that is what made Styx great. With the way they are now you are getting only a portion of what was good about them. For me the trappings i.e. visual effects, lighting, stage outfits, fancy "rock" poses wasn't the reason I was going to the shows. I was their to hear them play and sing the songs that made them a great band. Which included the balance of material from all three of them. For me that is all gone.


Lots of trappings in the Kilroy tour i suppose.
Anyways.The Styx mission statement was to be a rock band,and live they are.
If they played the Dennis ballads,they wouldn't be.


I have nothing against the trappings mentioned. That's not why I went to see them or any artist per-say. That's why the current Styx is not Styx to me. They were about diversity in musical styles and the influences they had on each other. That is what made them special. That's what made a lot of people like them. Now there just trying to be just like all the other "classic acts" they compete and tour with. The cookie cutter approach. Nothing special anymore in my opinion. If people did not like the diversity they had then I am not sure why they were listening to them. So, now you basically have: Gowan that really can't pull off as well the songs he is performing for the guy he replaced, JY who's voice is just about shot and painful to listen to and Tommy who still does a great job at what he does, Ricky a has-been bass player which no one really cares about and Todd who is a accomplished drummer but to me over embellishes at times and finally Chuck who for the most part is more like a special guest at this point. Not to mention silly marketing ideas like their own blend of coffee. Next thing you know they'll be releasing a line of cologne and perfume.
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Postby gr8dane » Wed May 16, 2012 11:55 pm

Toph wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Toph wrote:
masque wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Toph wrote:Face it. You blindfold a random fan (no, not a crazy die hard like you people) and have them sit through both concerts. You then ask them, ok you've heard two bands and their songs selections, which one was Styx? 99% of people will say its Dennis's bands. He really should bill himself as the one act that gives you all the Styx hits. Because by far and away his set list is much closer to what the average fan wants to hear than Styx's.


But isn't it lucky.You and I are getting pretty much what we want.
I want a Styx where I don't have to watch Dennis on stage and hear his top charted singles/ballads.

You get the voice of Dennis playing all his hits, that are so important to you, because they charted so high.
You don't like any of the musicians in Styx ,and in your opinion Dennis' band are so much better.
They also dress better and have better hair cuts.Dennis is playing the exact amount gigs a year,you like, compared to Styx.
You get the jokes and the report on how long Dennis has been together with Suzanne.

So at the end of the day it's a win-win situation right there.Don't you think?

So cheer up topher



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Dennis needs the name - then I'll be happy.


That's just it, he doesn't If those songs were stiffs and went nowhere I could see wanting to forget about them but, when they were well liked based on how they charted and sold albums it's just odd.

Not odd really.Like today and like forever, most hits are fly by night.Here today gone tomorrow.Babe was a rocket and then it fizzled and became a joke.


That "joke" is still 30 years later, their most played song on the radio in total number of annual plays. Yeah it really fizzled...


You serious?Their most played song on the radio.How do you know?
It actually sounds like you are proud of the fact.Is Babe your favourite Styx song?
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Postby gr8dane » Thu May 17, 2012 12:00 am

Boomchild wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
brywool wrote:Styx puts on a SHOW like they always have, even with Dennis (remember Dennis' rising piano? Remember Dennis' robot suit? Remember his musketeer hat and sword in 77? ) . Styx puts on a killer show now, they always have.


Except for ignoring songs that were what made them what they are about. Sorry, it just isn't the same when you remove a key player such as Dennis was. You may like it or not but, that is what made Styx great. With the way they are now you are getting only a portion of what was good about them. For me the trappings i.e. visual effects, lighting, stage outfits, fancy "rock" poses wasn't the reason I was going to the shows. I was their to hear them play and sing the songs that made them a great band. Which included the balance of material from all three of them. For me that is all gone.


Lots of trappings in the Kilroy tour i suppose.
Anyways.The Styx mission statement was to be a rock band,and live they are.
If they played the Dennis ballads,they wouldn't be.


I have nothing against the trappings mentioned. That's not why I went to see them or any artist per-say. That's why the current Styx is not Styx to me. They were about diversity in musical styles and the influences they had on each other. That is what made them special. That's what made a lot of people like them. Now there just trying to be just like all the other "classic acts" they compete and tour with. The cookie cutter approach. Nothing special anymore in my opinion. If people did not like the diversity they had then I am not sure why they were listening to them. So, now you basically have: Gowan that really can't pull off as well the songs he is performing for the guy he replaced, JY who's voice is just about shot and painful to listen to and Tommy who still does a great job at what he does, Ricky a has-been bass player which no one really cares about and Todd who is a accomplished drummer but to me over embellishes at times and finally Chuck who for the most part is more like a special guest at this point. Not to mention silly marketing ideas like their own blend of coffee. Next thing you know they'll be releasing a line of cologne and perfume.


Fair enough.I liked their diversity too,but the ballads the least.
Talking about coffee,I see Dennis' shop is closed down for maintenance .Are they doing inventory or are we gonna have some exciting new products ?
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Postby Cassie May » Thu May 17, 2012 12:01 am

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That "joke" is still 30 years later, their most played song on the radio in total number of annual plays. Yeah it really fizzled...[/quote]

You got any numbers to back that up? Just curious, because I live in a major city with 5 classic rock stations and a couple oldies AC stations, and I rarely, if ever, hear Babe. Which is just dandy by me. The most-played songs here, by far, are Renegade and Too Much Time, with Blue Collar Man and Grand Illusion not far behind.
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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 12:31 am

styx on the radio in my part of the country centers around; renegade, come sail away, blue collar man, lady, too much time on my hands, the grand illusion and fooling yourself.

i hear those songs on the radio on a regular daily rotation (not each one of course...but maybe lady one day and then rengade the next and so on).......i have not heard babe on the radio in years.
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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 12:38 am

i think that what toph hangs his hat on is strictly "chart position" and to me that is a not a real valid argument to my ears......i have no problem if those songs are truly his favorites......if he really would prefer to hear babe, mr. roboto, dont let it end and show me the way in concert vs. songs like man in the wilderness, great white hope, i'm ok and crystal ball then that's ok and it makes sense. but to me its not my preference.

i have no problem with a band playing "their hits" in concert but i want them to simply play their best songs and to my ears some of styx's hits were not their "best songs"....whether it was a dennis hit or a tommy hit. i dont hate dennis's ballad hits i just dont prefer them over the other stuff.

to me the biggest ommision the current styx makes from the setlist is the best of times which is one of the best styx songs ever and should be played......other than that i dont think they are leaving out much of what I want to hear from the "hits".....

i would ten thousand times rather hear "sweet mademoiselle" that charted around 36 or so than babe that went number 1......thats just my ears.
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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 1:08 am

if styx with dennis were a reality again and they did a big monster show with a break in the middle like rush does and that allowed them to do around 25 songs or more then here is what I would like to hear.....in making this list i did not take into account my personal burnout on any tune or the fact that i could pick mostly rarities.....i just put together a list of the songs I would mostlike to hear.......listed in chronlogical order from oldest to newest;

lady
loreli
midnight ride
suite madame blue
put me on
mademoiselle
crystal ball
shooz
the grand illusion
fooling yourself
come sail away
miss america
castle walls
great white hope
blue collar man
queen of spades
renegade
pieces of eight
lights
boat on the river
borrowed time
rockin the paradise
too much time on my hands
best of times
snowblind
half penny-two penny
havnt we been here before


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you need love
father osa
22 years
man of miracles
man in the wilderness
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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 1:09 am

so as you can see I have no issue with dennis songs....i freaking love dennis but i dont really hold his "hits" and "ballads" in the same regard as his other contributions.

in fact, i hate the fact that dennis is "known" for his ballads.....i always tell people "man if you heard songs like queen of spades, castle walls, pieces of eight, born for adventure" then you would have a different feeling about him.

i have spent hours defending dennis/styx for babe, roboto and dont let it end.......and trying to get people to understand that those songs dont define what this band really sounded like day in and day out.
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Postby Boomchild » Thu May 17, 2012 2:01 am

gr8dane wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
brywool wrote:Styx puts on a SHOW like they always have, even with Dennis (remember Dennis' rising piano? Remember Dennis' robot suit? Remember his musketeer hat and sword in 77? ) . Styx puts on a killer show now, they always have.


Except for ignoring songs that were what made them what they are about. Sorry, it just isn't the same when you remove a key player such as Dennis was. You may like it or not but, that is what made Styx great. With the way they are now you are getting only a portion of what was good about them. For me the trappings i.e. visual effects, lighting, stage outfits, fancy "rock" poses wasn't the reason I was going to the shows. I was their to hear them play and sing the songs that made them a great band. Which included the balance of material from all three of them. For me that is all gone.


Lots of trappings in the Kilroy tour i suppose.
Anyways.The Styx mission statement was to be a rock band,and live they are.
If they played the Dennis ballads,they wouldn't be.


I have nothing against the trappings mentioned. That's not why I went to see them or any artist per-say. That's why the current Styx is not Styx to me. They were about diversity in musical styles and the influences they had on each other. That is what made them special. That's what made a lot of people like them. Now there just trying to be just like all the other "classic acts" they compete and tour with. The cookie cutter approach. Nothing special anymore in my opinion. If people did not like the diversity they had then I am not sure why they were listening to them. So, now you basically have: Gowan that really can't pull off as well the songs he is performing for the guy he replaced, JY who's voice is just about shot and painful to listen to and Tommy who still does a great job at what he does, Ricky a has-been bass player which no one really cares about and Todd who is a accomplished drummer but to me over embellishes at times and finally Chuck who for the most part is more like a special guest at this point. Not to mention silly marketing ideas like their own blend of coffee. Next thing you know they'll be releasing a line of cologne and perfume.


Fair enough.I liked their diversity too,but the ballads the least.
Talking about coffee,I see Dennis' shop is closed down for maintenance .Are they doing inventory or are we gonna have some exciting new products ?

It's been that way for a long time. Who knows. It didn't offer much to begin with and his site is slow at keeping it fresh except for tour dates. They don't even update the Q&A section anymore. Dennis has always been upfront that he really doesn't get into the online thing. Besides, i doubt he really needs the money from merch. sales to begin with.
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Postby cittadeeno23 » Thu May 17, 2012 2:02 am

masque wrote:so as you can see I have no issue with dennis songs....i freaking love dennis but i dont really hold his "hits" and "ballads" in the same regard as his other contributions.

in fact, i hate the fact that dennis is "known" for his ballads.....i always tell people "man if you heard songs like queen of spades, castle walls, pieces of eight, born for adventure" then you would have a different feeling about him.

i have spent hours defending dennis/styx for babe, roboto and dont let it end.......and trying to get people to understand that those songs dont define what this band really sounded like day in and day out.


Good post! I've told people the SAME exact thing about Dennis!
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Postby Boomchild » Thu May 17, 2012 2:06 am

Cassie May wrote:[quote="Toph"

That "joke" is still 30 years later, their most played song on the radio in total number of annual plays. Yeah it really fizzled...


You got any numbers to back that up? Just curious, because I live in a major city with 5 classic rock stations and a couple oldies AC stations, and I rarely, if ever, hear Babe. Which is just dandy by me. The most-played songs here, by far, are Renegade and Too Much Time, with Blue Collar Man and Grand Illusion not far behind.[/quote]

The real joke is who really gives a rip about Styx airplay stats anymore. Well, I guess the programming apps. the stations use do. The problem plain to see... Too much technology.... Oops, sorry about that.
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Postby Cassie May » Thu May 17, 2012 2:07 am

That's one of the things so frustrating about Styx, is that their music is so hard to categorize....People want to define them as "progressive," or "pop," or "rock" (or even "hard rock"), or as balladeers....all of which is true and not true at the same time. They really are a unique blend of all types of labels, so they are difficult to fit into one slot. Personally, I prefer the rock songs versus the ballads, and to my way of thinking, it is the ballads that have so polarized everybody. Love 'em or hate 'em. But, I think that's true of most bands, especially if they start out in "rock" mode.

Masque, glad to see you included Shooz in your fantasy list. I'd love to see that one live. I'd love to see Tommy play some slide.
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Postby Boomchild » Thu May 17, 2012 2:11 am

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to me the biggest ommision the current styx makes from the setlist is the best of times which is one of the best styx songs ever and should be played......other than that i dont think they are leaving out much of what I want to hear from the "hits".....


They already went down that road early on with Gowan. If you heard it you would know why they nixed it. Thank God.
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Postby gr8dane » Thu May 17, 2012 2:39 am

masque wrote:i think that what toph hangs his hat on is strictly "chart position" and to me that is a not a real valid argument to my ears......i have no problem if those songs are truly his favorites......if he really would prefer to hear babe, mr. roboto, dont let it end and show me the way in concert vs. songs like man in the wilderness, great white hope, i'm ok and crystal ball then that's ok and it makes sense. but to me its not my preference.

i have no problem with a band playing "their hits" in concert but i want them to simply play their best songs and to my ears some of styx's hits were not their "best songs"....whether it was a dennis hit or a tommy hit. i dont hate dennis's ballad hits i just dont prefer them over the other stuff.

i dont think they are leaving out much of what I want to hear from the "hits".....

i would ten thousand times rather hear "sweet mademoiselle" that charted around 36 or so than babe that went number 1......thats just my ears.


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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 3:02 am

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to me the biggest ommision the current styx makes from the setlist is the best of times which is one of the best styx songs ever and should be played......other than that i dont think they are leaving out much of what I want to hear from the "hits".....


They already went down that road early on with Gowan. If you heard it you would know why they nixed it. Thank God.


i did hear it live....in fact, i saw one of the first handful of shows with gowan after he joined and they played forever and the setlist was incredible.......gowan did not sing it well.

he didnt sing rockin the paradise well either but has gotten better this time around......so maybe he could do best of times better now as well.....regardless, i would be fine with tommy singing it.....i'm just saying that it's the one song i truly miss hearing when i see current styx play live.
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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 3:04 am

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masque wrote:i think that what toph hangs his hat on is strictly "chart position" and to me that is a not a real valid argument to my ears......i have no problem if those songs are truly his favorites......if he really would prefer to hear babe, mr. roboto, dont let it end and show me the way in concert vs. songs like man in the wilderness, great white hope, i'm ok and crystal ball then that's ok and it makes sense. but to me its not my preference.

i have no problem with a band playing "their hits" in concert but i want them to simply play their best songs and to my ears some of styx's hits were not their "best songs"....whether it was a dennis hit or a tommy hit. i dont hate dennis's ballad hits i just dont prefer them over the other stuff.

i dont think they are leaving out much of what I want to hear from the "hits".....

i would ten thousand times rather hear "sweet mademoiselle" that charted around 36 or so than babe that went number 1......thats just my ears.


Couldn't have said it better myself.


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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 3:11 am

Cassie May wrote:That's one of the things so frustrating about Styx, is that their music is so hard to categorize....People want to define them as "progressive," or "pop," or "rock" (or even "hard rock"), or as balladeers....all of which is true and not true at the same time. They really are a unique blend of all types of labels, so they are difficult to fit into one slot. Personally, I prefer the rock songs versus the ballads, and to my way of thinking, it is the ballads that have so polarized everybody. Love 'em or hate 'em. But, I think that's true of most bands, especially if they start out in "rock" mode.

Masque, glad to see you included Shooz in your fantasy list. I'd love to see that one live. I'd love to see Tommy play some slide.


yeh cassie i freaking love shooz and would love to hear it live in its entirety.

as for your other comments you are correct they are hard to categorize......the problem is that their "hits" certainly the latter "hits" placed them in the category as ballad band.

but folks that went to see them live realized that they were deeper than ballads and in fact a true rock band.....so the general casual fan probably sees the band in a different light than the true fan. both points of view are correct depending on what kind of fan you are.


but to me like it's always been said..."what the general public doesnt know is what makes them the general public". personally, i'm so thankful that i'm a fan with their entire catalog engrained in my brain and heart and consdier myself "in the know".....lol....because if all I knew or thought they were was babe, dont let it end and roboto, then i wouldnt be a fan. i can dig those songs ok because i was a fan already....not because those songs made me a fan.
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Postby Toph » Thu May 17, 2012 3:46 am

gr8dane wrote:
Toph wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
Toph wrote:
masque wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Toph wrote:Face it. You blindfold a random fan (no, not a crazy die hard like you people) and have them sit through both concerts. You then ask them, ok you've heard two bands and their songs selections, which one was Styx? 99% of people will say its Dennis's bands. He really should bill himself as the one act that gives you all the Styx hits. Because by far and away his set list is much closer to what the average fan wants to hear than Styx's.


But isn't it lucky.You and I are getting pretty much what we want.
I want a Styx where I don't have to watch Dennis on stage and hear his top charted singles/ballads.

You get the voice of Dennis playing all his hits, that are so important to you, because they charted so high.
You don't like any of the musicians in Styx ,and in your opinion Dennis' band are so much better.
They also dress better and have better hair cuts.Dennis is playing the exact amount gigs a year,you like, compared to Styx.
You get the jokes and the report on how long Dennis has been together with Suzanne.

So at the end of the day it's a win-win situation right there.Don't you think?

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Dennis needs the name - then I'll be happy.


That's just it, he doesn't If those songs were stiffs and went nowhere I could see wanting to forget about them but, when they were well liked based on how they charted and sold albums it's just odd.

Not odd really.Like today and like forever, most hits are fly by night.Here today gone tomorrow.Babe was a rocket and then it fizzled and became a joke.


That "joke" is still 30 years later, their most played song on the radio in total number of annual plays. Yeah it really fizzled...


You serious?Their most played song on the radio.How do you know?
It actually sounds like you are proud of the fact.Is Babe your favourite Styx song?


Not proud - just the facts. Not my favorit Styx song, but the one that has the most airplay on an annual basis. You said its fizzled - it hasn't
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Postby masque » Thu May 17, 2012 3:53 am

give me a link to the information that proves it's a fact toph.
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Postby yogi » Thu May 17, 2012 7:06 am

I could NOT tell you for a fact the actual Styx song that gets the most airplay today. But around here (Shreveport, Longview, Tyler & Dallas) the Styx songs that get BY FAARRRRR the most airplay are: #1. Come Sail Away, #2 Renegade, #3. Blue Collar Man, #4. Lady & #5. Fooling Yourself. This is in proper order

The ONLY other Styx songs that I have heard from time to time besides the above mentioned are Suite Madame Blue, The Grand Illusion, Lorelei & Crystal Ball. I have heard Rockin The Paradise & Queen Of Spades each 1 time in almost 5 years on 98.1 out of Shreveport.

I have not heard Babe on the radio in at least 10 years. The other GREAT Styx song that I bet I have not heard on the radio in 15 years is The Best Of Times. Why did that song have no radio shelf life? Its not a dated song but damn no one plays that song, and its a GREAT song!
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Postby gr8dane » Thu May 17, 2012 7:36 am

Only ones I hear

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Postby cittadeeno23 » Thu May 17, 2012 7:44 am

The reason you do not hear "Babe" and "The Best Of Times" is because there are no "Classic Pop" stations, only "Soft Rock" stations and most of them focus on newer tunes. And there are WAY more "Classic Rock" stations than there are "Soft Rock". There is one Soft rock station in San Jose and they DO play "Best Of Times" and "Babe". However, their playlist is more extensive than most Rock stations and they play way more songs. Most Classic Rock stations play the same 100 songs OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER! The two classic rock stations here in the Bay Area play the following all the time:
1. Come Sail Away
2. Renegade
3. Blue Collar Man
4. Lady
5. The Grand Illusion
6. Fooling Yourself
7. Too Much Time on my Hands

I also occasionally hear Suite Madam Blue, Miss America and Snowblind.

Not too many ballads have much of a shelf life. And thank god for that! Styx was at it's best when Dennis was in the band and when he was rocking!
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Postby gr8dane » Fri May 18, 2012 2:20 am

masque wrote:give me a link to the information that proves it's a fact toph.


I'd love to see that also.
Any chance of that toph?
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Postby bugsymalone » Fri May 18, 2012 2:31 am

Aaaaaand I never listen to the radio, so I am no help here. I could tell you the top songs on my iPod playlist, but those change every day.


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Postby Everett » Fri May 18, 2012 5:03 am

Heard show me the way @ lunch today :twisted: :evil:
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Postby gr8dane » Fri May 18, 2012 5:28 am

Everett wrote:Heard show me the way @ lunch today :twisted: :evil:


What did you have for lunch? :)
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Postby Everett » Fri May 18, 2012 7:13 am

gr8dane wrote:
Everett wrote:Heard show me the way @ lunch today :twisted: :evil:


What did you have for lunch? :)


Pizza 8)
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Postby gr8dane » Fri May 18, 2012 8:44 am

Everett wrote:
gr8dane wrote:
Everett wrote:Heard show me the way @ lunch today :twisted: :evil:


What did you have for lunch? :)


Pizza 8)


Nam nam.Any ansjovis on there?
By the way.Do you think topher has a link to where it says ,Babe is the most played Styx song on radio? :wink:
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