They're Eating The Dogs Presidential Thread

[Boomchild]

Since the term treason has been thrown about everywhere these days, this article seems appropriate....

Five myths about treason

The framers of the Constitution took deliberate steps to ensure that treason trials would not be used as political weapons against opponents. Article 3, Section 3 defines the crime very narrowly: “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.” This language is drawn from an English statute from 1351 that was also intended to limit the scope of treason. Speaking against the government, undermining political opponents, supporting harmful policies or even placing the interests of another nation ahead of those of the United States are not acts of treason under the Constitution.

Myth No. 2
Aiding Russia is treason against the United States.

Stephen Colbert’s recent segment “Michael Flynn’s White House Tenure: It’s Funny ’Cause It’s Treason” was but one of many accusations of treason hurled against Flynn and other White House associates because of their proven or alleged ties to Russia. “Consider the evidence that Trump is a traitor,” exhorted an essay in Salon. It is, in fact, treasonable to aid the “enemies” of the United States.

But enemies are defined very precisely under American treason law. An enemy is a nation or an organization with which the United States is in a declared or open war . Nations with whom we are formally at peace, such as Russia, are not enemies. (Indeed, a treason prosecution naming Russia as an enemy would be tantamount to a declaration of war.) Russia is a strategic adversary whose interests are frequently at odds with those of the United States, but for purposes of treason law it is no different than Canada or France or even the American Red Cross. The details of the alleged connections between Russia and Trump officials are therefore irrelevant to treason law.

This was true even in the 1950s, at the height of the Cold War. When Julius and Ethel Rosenberg handed over nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union, they were tried and executed for espionage, not treason. Indeed, Trump could give the U.S. nuclear codes to Vladimir Putin or bug the Oval Office with a direct line to the Kremlin and it would not be treason, as a legal matter. Of course, such conduct would violate various laws and would constitute grounds for impeachment as a “high crime and misdemeanor” — the framers fully understood that there could be cases of reprehensible disloyalty that might escape the narrow confines of the treason clause.

So who are the current enemies of the United States? North Korea is a possible enemy, since the Korean War was never formally concluded. Certain nonstate actors can also count as enemies, and terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda and the Islamic State probably fit the definition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 426786908c

[Boomchild]

Developing story..

Report: FBI General Counsel Allegedly Under Investigation for Leaks

Three sources told Circa that Baker is a suspect in a leak investigation. However, the website has confirmed what information was allegedly leaked.

Baker is said to be close with former FBI Director James Comey, and according to the website, recent media reports suggested he was advising the then-FBI director on legal matters after private meetings Comey had with President Donald Trump earlier this year.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/FBI-ge ... id/804332/

[Monker]

This is scary as hell:

https://www.govtechworks.com/iot-securi ... gs.nqMRVdY

In other words you could have a simple WiFi LAN set up in your home, that does not connect to the internet. Then you plug in light bulbs which are controled via the LAN. Maybe you have them turn off/on at certain times to make it look like someone is home while you are on vacation.

The problem is: The software in the light bulb could have a virus which spreads through out your network and captures personal information...and broadcasts it via wifi to whoever is listening.

Or, how about this:

https://www.govtechworks.com/new-cyber- ... challenge/

Things like a pacemaker or an implant which dispenses drugs could get a virus? Imagine if a terrorist got a virus into these systems and had all the pacemakers shut off, or go 1000 beats per minute...and had drug dispensers empty all of the drugs at once into the owners system.

Scary, scary stuff.

[Monker]

2+2=5

Ever hear of Gestalt Psychology? It's a area of psych that deals with the idea that some 'wholes' are more than just the sum of their parts.

For me, "2 + 2 = 5" is a reference to 1984. At the start of the book/movie the main character writes in his diary that true freedom is being free to believe "2 + 2 = 4". He is later arrested for "thought crimes" and sent to the "Ministry of Love". He is put through some gruesome torture until he is reprogrammed to be an acceptable citizen who believes whatever the party tells him. During part of this, the man inflicting the torture reminds him of what he wrote in the diary and holds up four fingers and asks, "how many fingers?" He answers "four." He is on a stretcher mechanism and so his body is stretched an inch or two, with considerable pain. He asks again, "How many fingers?" "Five!" "No, that won't work, you are lying." And, he is stretched again. "Again?" "Four, five, whatever you want...make the pain stop!" (Star Trek: TNG had Piccard go through a similar situation when captured by Cardassians.)

You see, this is where things like "alternate facts" come into play. He is told, "Sometimes the answer is four, sometimes the answer is 5, or 3. Sometimes it is all three at once." The answer is not in the individuals mind, because it is finite and could be in error. The answer is in the collective party mind because it is infinite and eternal and therefore CAN'T be wrong.

People like KC, FF, and TNC have bought into and are a part of the collective Trump mind. So, when he says there were more people at his inauguration then anybody elses in history, or "thousands of Muslims cheered when 9/11 happened" or "three to five million people voted illegally in the election"...it must have some level of truth because the party leader - the mouth of their collective party mind - said it (and various people like Spicey and Scaramucci have said almost those exact words). It doesn't matter how illogical it is, or how easy it can be proved wrong, or that it violates common sense reality. They live in their own reality and make up their own facts as they are needed.

"Truth is lies" - The very definition of "alternate facts". Trump seems to believe that it doesn't matter what the truth is. Pass the worst health care bill and he'll say it's the best and have a party to celebrate it. Truth is irrelevant to someone like Trump...he invents "truth" as he goes and his followers believe it because it comes from Him.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If you remember W being elected then you remember Obama taking critique from Republicans for how the "world" viewed him. In fact, if you look up a few pages you can find your pals still whining about it.

Mostly I remember images like this being passed around by apologetic liberals on the web.

The votes of actual fellow Americans did not vote Trump into office...they voted for Clinton. The Electoral College, you know, the political elite, voted for Trump.

Winning the rust belt = the political elite? Too funny.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Get it done, or get it down the road.

http://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2017/0 ... g-priebus/

Word is, he resigned yesterday.

Never belonged in the cabinet to begin with.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, that's what Trump wants you to do....try to discredit Mueller. You're a good minion.

By all means, please keep supporting Mueller. It just proves you have no beliefs, as his record is diametrically opposed to everything you spout on here.


-Under Mueller, 1000 muslims were rounded up and detained.
- Mueller coerced Ashcroft to renew 9/11 legislation as Ashcroft recuperated in his hospital bed post-surgery.
- Mueller used the FBI as a bullhorn to spread the worst WMD lies of the Bush admin.

You won't address these things because you can't. Do you now agree with rounding up Muslims, Monker?
Your worldview hinges on the idea of Comey and Mueller as ideologically pristine Luke Skywalker types out to save the day. It's all very juvenile.

I don't think he is "beloved'. I think he is respected and trusted - by both sides. The only ones who don't trust him are t-virus infected Trump zombies, like you.

Mueller is universally respected the same way McCain is. As usual, the conventional wisdom is bullshit. It is repeated unquestioningly by idiots like you who can't think for themselves. One look at his actual record and all that is turned to dust

Yeah, most Authoritarians end up that way. Hitler, Saddam, Nixon....all of those types had their devoted followers even after their leader fell. And, they all seem to keep believing in the "cause" the "leader" was standing for. Kinda sad how they deny the reality of the situation.

Actually, the only important US presidential candidate to ever run from a jail cell was Eugene Debs. At this point, your Hitler card is more dog-eared than your spunk stained copies of Blueboy magazine. Soo tiring.

[The_Noble_Cause]

People like KC, FF, and TNC have bought into and are a part of the collective Trump mind. So, when he says there were more people at his inauguration then anybody elses in history, or "thousands of Muslims cheered when 9/11 happened" or "three to five million people voted illegally in the election"...it must have some level of truth because the party leader - the mouth of their collective party mind - said it (and various people like Spicey and Scaramucci have said almost those exact words). It doesn't matter how illogical it is, or how easy it can be proved wrong, or that it violates common sense reality. They live in their own reality and make up their own facts as they are needed.

That's rich coming from the guy who repeated alternative facts such as...


-Hillary had permission to use a private server (wrong)
-Hillary fired the staffer who started the birther lie (staffer never named. Clinton confidante Blumenthal also implicated0
-Donna Brazille was just doing her job leaking debate questions (then why did she apologize and get fired?)
- The entire US intel community believes in Russia hacking (from 17 agencies to 4 agencies to a few analysts handpicked by Clapper)
- Stuxnet didn't involve USBs (wrong again)

It goes on and on and on

[Boomchild]

Boomchild should love this. I know I did.

http://steadfastandloyal.com/conservati ... l-counsel/

This is certainly appropriate. Especially the recommendation to investigate for collusion between the DNC and Clinton campaign to undermine Sander's in the primaries.

[S2M]

Monker = Gish Gallop

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Learn sumpin" new on the webs everyday.

Interesting. Did you read the last line of the first paragraph?

[Boomchild]

Monker = Gish Gallop

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Learn sumpin" new on the webs everyday.

Interesting read. Thanks for posting.

[S2M]

Monker = Gish Gallop

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

Learn sumpin" new on the webs everyday.

Interesting. Did you read the last line of the first paragraph?

Yes, it says "In a Gish Gallop, many bullshit points are given all at once." That's our Monker!

Nice try...it mentioned Trump as a huuuuge abuser of this fallacy.

[Boomchild]

Again my apologies for not posting this in the non existent "Clinton Thread".

[Boomchild]

[Boomchild]

From Wikileaks.......

Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller flew to Moscow and gave the FSB 10 grams of Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) in 2009



https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09ST ... #efmBbpBlP

[steveo777]

Things are starting to move Boommie.

http://steadfastandloyal.com/conservati ... l-counsel/

This is for real. It has been passed 15-13
Here is a video of the voting and the issues.
This is not in the mainstream media yet.
This has potential to implicate a lot of people.
Maybe the dems shouldn't have poked the Trump bear so much.
I have warned people against doing so, that it might bite back.
So, here we go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI6rhc2ilzw

[JBlake]

I can't wait for the day we no longer have to see that old hag trying to be president. I hope this past election was the last of her.

[Boomchild]

Obamacare collapsing under it's own weight. Guess those counties that will have zero choices on the insurance exchanges really are saving that $2500yr in premiums Obama was touting.

REPORT: 40 counties about to have NO insurance carriers due to Obamacare

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services posted an updated map illustrating the shocking fact that 1,332 counties across the country can expect to have only one insurer on the Obamacare Health Insurance Exchanges next year.

As many as 40 counties, most of them in Ohio and Nevada, will have zero insurance carriers willing to offer Obamacare in 2018.

Recent data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which has been monitoring health insurer announcements, shows that the number of counties with only one insurer continues to climb. Just one month ago, the number was 1,300.

http://dennismichaellynch.com/report-ob ... -insurers/

[Boomchild]

The State of Oklahoma has one provider, Blue Cross. Guess what they are doing at the end of the year?

Gee let me take a wild guess, pulling out?

[brandonx76]

From Wikileaks.......

Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller flew to Moscow and gave the FSB 10 grams of Highly Enriched Uranium (HEU) in 2009



https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09ST ... #efmBbpBlP

Well this was total BS...had to admit it made me research it tho...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/w ... 4ebb75ffec

[Boomchild]

Kansas too. I think Blue Cross is dumping the ACA.

I believe Aetna has said that they are pulling out all together.

[Boomchild]

Well this was total BS...had to admit it made me research it tho...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/w ... 4ebb75ffec

He either did or didn't give the sample to Russia. I guess it makes it all better because Russian authorities requested it in connection to investigating a crime. Let's say a North Korean national gets caught stealing information on the U.S. nuclear weapons design. Then North Korea's government requests to see said information to do forensic analysis in order to aid prosecution or to validate the alleged crime. Do we just hand it over?

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

This is why Wikileaks is such a bogus source for information. They deliberately cut out the bits that put this in context. As a result it it is misleading at best...and a fabricated lie at most.

Even Snopes has an article about this being false.

Let's say a North Korean national gets caught stealing information on the U.S. nuclear weapons design. Then North Korea's government requests to see said information to do forensic analysis in order to aid prosecution or to validate the alleged crime. Do we just hand it over?

Weapons design is not comparable to uranium.

We gave them a useless amount (1/10 of the total), with Georgia's permission - which is where it would have been stolen from. it was even reported in the Washington Post at the time. But, in 2006, there was no reason to discredit Mueller.

The bottom line is Mueller did nothing wrong. It's just more alt-right conspiracy theory designed to discredit Mueller, propped up by a biased Wikileaks, and spread by naive alt-right/Trump minions.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well this was total BS...had to admit it made me research it tho...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/w ... 4ebb75ffec

What part of it is BS? The HuffingtonPost link says that Wikileaks didn't include all of the relevant facts in it's Tweet. Well, yea, it's a tweet...140 characters and all that. The Wikileaks links includes everything and more.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is why Wikileaks is such a bogus source for information. They deliberately cut out the bits that put this in context. As a result it it is misleading at best...and a fabricated lie at most.

Even Snopes has an article about this being false.

Nothing was cut out. HuffingtonPost even admits that. You are misinformed yet again.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can't wait for the day we no longer have to see that old hag trying to be president. I hope this past election was the last of her.

She was arguably past her prime even in 2008. She ran because she felt entitled to it. Now she has destroyed her own party from within. There's a comic poetic justice in it all. Thanks to her, Democrats now go around questioning everybody's patriotism and demanding that we arm terrorist rebels. Dead party.

[Monker]

This is why Wikileaks is such a bogus source for information. They deliberately cut out the bits that put this in context. As a result it it is misleading at best...and a fabricated lie at most.

Even Snopes has an article about this being false.

Nothing was cut out. HuffingtonPost even admits that. You are misinformed yet again.

Does WikiLeaks admit it, too? Here is the entire cable as posted on WikiLeaks:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE85588_a.html

This was also reported on back then in the Washington Post.
(As quoted from Snopes)

Republic of Georgia authorities, aided by the CIA, set up a sting operation last summer that led to the arrest of Russian man who tried to sell a small amount of nuclear-bomb grade uranium in a plastic bag in his jacket pocket, U.S. and Georgian officials said.

The operation, which neither government has publicized, represents one of the most serious cases of smuggling of nuclear material in recent years, according to analysts and officials.

You all are taking fake news as reported on alt-right media, backed up by bogus WikiLeaks, as truth - when it is completely misleading as to what happened.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Does WikiLeaks admit it, too? Here is the entire cable as posted on WikiLeaks:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE85588_a.html

You just posted a link to the ENTIRE cable, dumbass.
The HuffingtonPost article says "the section it omitted from the tweet changes the entire context of Mueller’s actions."
So HuffPo is criticizing a tweet NOT the cable, which is posted by Wiki in its unedited entirety. Who cares?

You all are taking fake news as reported on alt-right media, backed up by bogus WikiLeaks, as truth - when it is completely misleading as to what happened.

So what did Wikileaks omit or edit? Very simple question.

[Monker]

"Weapons design is not comparable to uranium. "

I bet you jumped up and down with joy when Clinton sent Uranium and four billion cash to North Korea to stop their nuclear program in 1998. How'd that work out? No doubt about the same as Obama sending hundreds of billions to Iran in cash.

Prove it. N. Korea can enrich its own uranium...they do not need any from the US or anybody else.

What Obama did was to release assets/money that was owned by Iran that we seized back in the Carter years. You can argue if it was a trade or not, and if that was good or bad, but it was Iran's money we gave back to them.