With All Due Respect

[yogi]

With All Due Respect Monker he truly did have his life’s work stolen from him at a time he was at his lowest( he was sick) by what I’m sure he thought were his friends. Then publicly since it was either 2 against 1 or 3 against 1 ( and these 2 or 3 Dennis thought were his friends) + Cahil lies were publicly told to make Dennis look like he was the bad guy.

Anyone would be extremely bitter about that. Anyone!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

The first time I listened to "With All Due Respect", I liked. It this nice rock song, nice cool rhythm, nice guitar riffs, etc. I think the beginning is kinda stupid with that yadda yadda woof woof crap...but the rest was pretty good.

But, honestly, it just doesn't stick with me. It's not something I really care to go back and listen to. There is one article that compares it to Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry"...and it's a good comparison since they both are critiquing news media. But, "Dirty Laundry" doesn't just critique the news, it also asks people why they are watching this crap? Is it because it's being delivered by a cute blonde? Is it because you love the celebrity gossip? Do you like the drama of death and grieving? All Dennis is saying is the news media is a bunch of assholes. And, that's about it.

So, watching/listening is basically repeating, over and over again, the news media are assholes. So, it becomes "meh." very quick to me. Then I watch the video and the people in the chorus seem to be looking as much like assholes as the news media they are insulting. Then Dennis is being himself and acting all camping and dramatic...and that doesn't help much. The video has become something I really don't care to watch more than a couple times.

I know it's supposed to be all jovial, and fun, and almost a tongue in cheek joke. But, for me, it stops being that way after a couple times. Then it becomes a bunch of people calling another group of people assholes...and it's no longer fun.

Dennis said in one of those interviews that it is kind of an extension of a lyric in "Borrowed Time". But, "Borrowed Time" had more depth to it, a bit of a story - in a way.

"Turn Off CNN" is also comparable...but it is also a much better song with more depth, and likable.

I agree. I’d rather watch the Music Time video, and that sucks!

This is the definition of forfeiting all credibility.

Dennis has in one sentence pointed out the hypocrisy of the phrase “with all due respect”. Or did that escape you. We all know when someone says that phrase they’re really saying, well you know.
The lyrics are brilliant, funny and so important at this time. The video is also funny, and cathartic. To dwell on the road *$&hole said 3 times shows your prejudice toward Dennis. Everyone on this site knows your posts come from the Tommy and JY camp with a whisperer in your ear.

You tried to make me feel bad by not listening to the Mission and challenged me to review it. I don’t like being critical. Everyone knows I don’t go looking for trouble but the constant barrage by you and your bathwater drinking friends concerning Dennis both professionally and personally has finally angered me. His new album is brilliant both musically and lyrically and you are on a mission not to Mars but to destroy. And still no lyrics from the Mission given as examples to compare with Dennis’s. You stop and I will.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker,

Years ago this was a fun forum to visit. It's sad to see that so many people left because of you, mainly you. Most were Classic Styx fans, mostly pro-Dennis but still didn't bash Current Styx like you do to Dennis. I'm not including Toph and Froy, just the others. I recently found out that a person was banned a few years ago in an argument with you. There's at least 9 people that I'm still in contact with that were on here but left.

This is how I feel about you when I saw this video.

THE BATHWATER DRINKERS LEGAL TEAM
EL DUPE’ AND THE MONKERS

https://youtu.be/74HGm_oEYxw

This forum is still lots of fun.

Why are you not including froy and toph ? Convenience ? Or because people left here, because of them ? LOL

There's other people that left because of those two. I'm not including them in the people that I personally know they left mostly because of Monker. As for Froy and Toph, they were banned because they crossed the line multiple times.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Just a note about froyline and Toph...they did not leave the forum on their own....Andrew kicked them off.

And like all buffoons removed from this board, I hadn't thought of any of them since banning.

Re: others leaving - I haven't received one email or PM. Who left and why exactly?

But Monker, I think the baby killing reference is a bit graphic/too much....can you remove that quote?

Andrew, thanks to you and your board I met a lot of great people and am still friends with many of them. When some of us would post positive Dennis stuff, it was usually Monker that would come in and rip it apart, just like now. Then you would have gr8dane and ChicagoStyx add to it.

However......later Toph would rip on Current Styx but this post is about other people leaving.

Here's a few that I either met in person or still in contact with that were very active, Sadie65, bugsymalone, StyxfanNH, mtlLady, jimmy19029, RonK, Ash, swwskj, DeeJayStyx, kiddo, Pinkfloyd1973 and Classicstyfan. I'm still in contact with DarrenUK, Leesa and Adam on Facebook with most of the others.

Most of the other people on here are great and contribute just being fans of one or all of Classic Styx, Dennis, Dennis and his band, Current Styx, Styx with JC, Styx with Glen, and other solo projects.

When the Mission came out I didn't listen to it and I didn't post any comments about it.

[Monker]

Just a note about froyline and Toph...they did not leave the forum on their own....Andrew kicked them off.

And like all buffoons removed from this board, I hadn't thought of any of them since banning.

Re: others leaving - I haven't received one email or PM. Who left and why exactly?

But Monker, I think the baby killing reference is a bit graphic/too much....can you remove that quote?

Andrew, thanks to you and your board I met a lot of great people and am still friends with many of them. When some of us would post positive Dennis stuff, it was usually Monker that would come in and rip it apart, just like now. Then you would have gr8dane and ChicagoStyx add to it.

However......later Toph would rip on Current Styx but this post is about other people leaving.

Here's a few that I either met in person or still in contact with that were very active, Sadie65, bugsymalone, StyxfanNH, mtlLady, jimmy19029, RonK, Ash, swwskj, DeeJayStyx, kiddo, Pinkfloyd1973 and Classicstyfan. I'm still in contact with DarrenUK, Leesa and Adam on Facebook with most of the others.

Most of the other people on here are great and contribute just being fans of one or all of Classic Styx, Dennis, Dennis and his band, Current Styx, Styx with JC, Styx with Glen, and other solo projects.

When the Mission came out I didn't listen to it and I didn't post any comments about it.

Oh, please. You are talking about things that happened 10-20yrs ago. There has been no real issues in this forum for years.

You said somebody was banned for arguing with me a few years ago. Who?

[yogi]

This is stupid. How about??

Suite being the USA, Monk is Russia, I’m Switzerland and Dennis will change the lyrics from assholes to cockroaches

Let’s all just move on. It’s ALL good!

[Monker]

This is the definition of forfeiting all credibility.

Dennis has in one sentence pointed out the hypocrisy of the phrase “with all due respect”. Or did that escape you. We all know when someone says that phrase they’re really saying, well you know.
The lyrics are brilliant, funny and so important at this time. The video is also funny, and cathartic. To dwell on the road *$&hole said 3 times shows your prejudice toward Dennis. Everyone on this site knows your posts come from the Tommy and JY camp with a whisperer in your ear.

The lyrics are not 'brilliant'. They are very simplistic. The verses do nothing but emphasize and focus on the asshole chorus. The asshole chorus is for shock value. That is it. Anybody can write like that. I do not find it funny at all. I do not find the video funny either. If it is so funny, why do you censor yourself when you write 'asshole'? Don't you find it funny when you write it?

I've tried to avoid talking politics here, but this song is NOT timely. You all are acting as if partisan politics and politicians mining the media is new. That's bullshit. Conservatives have ALWAYS complained about bias in media. That's just a fact. Back in the Clinton days, you had Rush LImbaugh doing exactly what FOX does, and out of that sprung all kinds of conservative radio commentators. Back with Obama ran against McCain you had Palin and her "lamestream" media comments, and Obama complaining about FOX. This topic is decades old, maybe centuries...I bet if you researched, George Washington probably complained about bias in the press. It's the nature of politics.

This has nothing to do with prejudice towards Dennis. It my opinion about lazy writing and using shock value for dramatic affect. If it is about Dennis, why do I complain about the same thing being in Battlestar Galactica, in "Man of Steel" (where Zod gets his neck broken), and in various other movies and TV shows? It is nothing but the writer wanting to create an emotional reaction and taking the easiest and laziest road to get that affect.

And, who is whispering in his ear? Do you think there is some conspiracy going on here?

[Monker]

With All Due Respect Monker he truly did have his life’s work stolen from him at a time he was at his lowest( he was sick) by what I’m sure he thought were his friends. Then publicly since it was either 2 against 1 or 3 against 1 ( and these 2 or 3 Dennis thought were his friends) + Cahil lies were publicly told to make Dennis look like he was the bad guy.

Anyone would be extremely bitter about that. Anyone!

And, that is why he is not in the band any longer. It is not HIS life's work. Styx was supposed to be a band and they ALL worked on those songs, albums, and tours. It is not just all about Dennis. He treats Styx like HIS band. It's not. It never was, and never will be.

If I were Tommy or JY and saw him going about in media saying such things, I would tighten up even more and it would solidify the current band even more.

[yogi]

Please note anyone who uses Battlestar Galactica to try and win an argument.... LOSES

[SuiteMadameBlue]

This is stupid. How about??

Suite being the USA, Monk is Russia, I’m Switzerland and Dennis will change the lyrics from assholes to cockroaches

Let’s all just move on. It’s ALL good!

I'm happy to be the USA

[SuiteMadameBlue]

This is the definition of forfeiting all credibility.

Dennis has in one sentence pointed out the hypocrisy of the phrase “with all due respect”. Or did that escape you. We all know when someone says that phrase they’re really saying, well you know.
The lyrics are brilliant, funny and so important at this time. The video is also funny, and cathartic. To dwell on the road *$&hole said 3 times shows your prejudice toward Dennis. Everyone on this site knows your posts come from the Tommy and JY camp with a whisperer in your ear.

The lyrics are not 'brilliant'. They are very simplistic. The verses do nothing but emphasize and focus on the asshole chorus. The asshole chorus is for shock value. That is it. Anybody can write like that. I do not find it funny at all. I do not find the video funny either. If it is so funny, why do you censor yourself when you write 'asshole'? Don't you find it funny when you write it?

I've tried to avoid talking politics here, but this song is NOT timely. You all are acting as if partisan politics and politicians mining the media is new. That's bullshit. Conservatives have ALWAYS complained about bias in media. That's just a fact. Back in the Clinton days, you had Rush LImbaugh doing exactly what FOX does, and out of that sprung all kinds of conservative radio commentators. Back with Obama ran against McCain you had Palin and her "lamestream" media comments, and Obama complaining about FOX. This topic is decades old, maybe centuries...I bet if you researched, George Washington probably complained about bias in the press. It's the nature of politics.

This has nothing to do with prejudice towards Dennis. It my opinion about lazy writing and using shock value for dramatic affect. If it is about Dennis, why do I complain about the same thing being in Battlestar Galactica, in "Man of Steel" (where Zod gets his neck broken), and in various other movies and TV shows? It is nothing but the writer wanting to create an emotional reaction and taking the easiest and laziest road to get that affect.

And, who is whispering in his ear? Do you think there is some conspiracy going on here?

“ZOD” the Monker of El Dupe’. ZOD ZOD ZOD! LMAO
The first time people hear the chorus on this song they laugh as Dennis knew they would. It’s not shock value it’s “right on” Dennis because that’s what people are thinking and feeling when they watch the supposed news regardless of their party.

Politics? This song is apolitical. Everyone please research George Washington to see what tv and radio they were listening to back then.

“This has nothing to do with prejudice against Dennis”..................even your BATHWATER buddies chuckled at that one.

Hey ZOD the Narcissist “whispering” was not meant for you but the guy who it is for knows. Always first with info..

[Monker]

The first time people hear the chorus on this song they laugh as Dennis knew they would. It’s not shock value it’s “right on” Dennis because that’s what people are thinking and feeling when they watch the supposed news regardless of their party.

I don't think it is up to you to decide how people think and feel and how they react.

Regardless, just to remind you, in the first post in this thread, I said, "The first time I listened to "With All Due Respect", I liked. It this nice rock song, nice cool rhythm, nice guitar riffs, etc."

My point is that easy shock drama doesn't last. Once that shock ends, it's empty.

Politics? This song is apolitical. Everyone please research George Washington to see what tv and radio they were listening to back then.

I said "press"...you do know what that is, correct?

Yes, politics. Both you and yogi are making the argument of how topical this song is because of the state of the news media. My point is that it has ALWAYS been that way...and it is because of politics. You just don't want to see it, or admit it.

“This has nothing to do with prejudice against Dennis”..................even your BATHWATER buddies chuckled at that one.

It has nothing to do with Dennis. Where are my anti-Dennis threads about his last two songs? Where is my long review about the entire album? You see what you want to see, you are blinded by your inability to process critique against Dennis. You ignore the obvious in favor of conspiracy theories and invented motives that don't exist.

[LtVanish]

Monker never posts anything of substance, I usually just skip over his posts these days, he is just a troll and not even a very good one either, the best trolls are the ones you don't know are trolling.

[Monker]

Monker never posts anything of substance, I usually just skip over his posts these days, he is just a troll and not even a very good one either, the best trolls are the ones you don't know are trolling.

Well, you know, sometimes you have to play the role of the fool to fool the fool who is trying to fool you.

[FormerDJMike]

Here's a spin on that song. When I first read the lyrics I did not know it was about the media. I thought it was about Tommy and JY.

They've all forgotten what it means
To be discarded, and left behind
When you're out of sight you're out of mind

[yogi]

[quote="Monker"][quote="LtVanish"]Monker never posts anything of substance, I usually just skip over his posts these days, he is just a troll and not even a very good one either, the best trolls are the ones you don't know are trolling.[/quote]

Well, you know, sometimes you have to play the role of the fool to fool the fool who is trying to fool you.[/quote]


Come on Monker I like you, but you can’t win an argument by using quotes now from Star Trek

[gr8dane]

Here's a spin on that song. When I first read the lyrics I did not know it was about the media. I thought it was about Tommy and JY.

They've all forgotten what it means
To be discarded, and left behind
When you're out of sight you're out of mind

That's what I thought.
Why not,or at least nicely camouflaged.

[Monker]

Monker never posts anything of substance, I usually just skip over his posts these days, he is just a troll and not even a very good one either, the best trolls are the ones you don't know are trolling.

Well, you know, sometimes you have to play the role of the fool to fool the fool who is trying to fool you.

Come on Monker I like you, but you can’t win an argument by using quotes now from Star Trek

Well, a couple problems with that. I don't see any argument worth winning. And, I did not quote Star Trek.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker never posts anything of substance, I usually just skip over his posts these days, he is just a troll and not even a very good one either, the best trolls are the ones you don't know are trolling.

You're right.

By the way, were you planning to go to the DDY show in Chicago this past April?

[Monker]

Monker never posts anything of substance, I usually just skip over his posts these days, he is just a troll and not even a very good one either, the best trolls are the ones you don't know are trolling.

You're right.

By the way, were you planning to go to the DDY show in Chicago this past April?

Let me give you an example of trolling.

It's when a person makes a post asking for favorite lyrics from an album they do not like...then complains when nobody replies and again asks for replies because they can't stand not getting the attention.

I write things like the first post in this thread because I have something to say....not because I expect people to reply to it. Reply, don't reply, read it, ignore it....Doesn't matter to me. I did what I wanted, express my thoughts or feelings on a subject.

[gr8dane]

With froy ,toph and Dennis' errand girl suite, you are always a troll if you criticize Dennis.
If you criticize Styx,it is OK,you are not a troll,because Styx sacked Dennis.
Go figure.

Ooops,with all due respect of course .

[SuiteMadameBlue]

The first time people hear the chorus on this song they laugh as Dennis knew they would. It’s not shock value it’s “right on” Dennis because that’s what people are thinking and feeling when they watch the supposed news regardless of their party.

I don't think it is up to you to decide how people think and feel and how they react.

Regardless, just to remind you, in the first post in this thread, I said, "The first time I listened to "With All Due Respect", I liked. It this nice rock song, nice cool rhythm, nice guitar riffs, etc."

My point is that easy shock drama doesn't last. Once that shock ends, it's empty.

Politics? This song is apolitical. Everyone please research George Washington to see what tv and radio they were listening to back then.

I said "press"...you do know what that is, correct?

Yes, politics. Both you and yogi are making the argument of how topical this song is because of the state of the news media. My point is that it has ALWAYS been that way...and it is because of politics. You just don't want to see it, or admit it.

“This has nothing to do with prejudice against Dennis”..................even your BATHWATER buddies chuckled at that one.

It has nothing to do with Dennis. Where are my anti-Dennis threads about his last two songs? Where is my long review about the entire album? You see what you want to see, you are blinded by your inability to process critique against Dennis. You ignore the obvious in favor of conspiracy theories and invented motives that don't exist.

Dear ZOD the dupeing troll. Maybe we should rename it “Monkering”

YOU started this thread by criticizing Dennis’s lyrics focusing on the word “asshole” claiming the rest of the lyrics don’t say anything. Are you reading the lyrics through your BATHWATER goggles.

Then it was Henley who you say said it first and better in “Laundry” while you missed or ignored the obvious differences between them. Wake up please. Henley’s is about celebrity gossip and crime sensationalism on the news while DeYoung’s is about hidden political agendas pretending to be news, something so much more dangerous and insidious to this country. Something he first alluded to in 1979, who knows maybe Henley saw it. Remember when The Long Run was number 1 and Cornerstone was number 2. Then the Eagles released “I Cant Tell You Why” and kept there momentum while “First Time” was blocked by Tommy and Cornerstone suffered.

These are Meaningless lyrics according to you,
“But all these know it alls, meatballs and Barbie dolls with breaking news and all the facts” “Breaking news with all the facts Breaking news and heart attacks”.
“We’ve come to realize and shouldn’t be surprised They’re hiding this behind their backs they’re partisan hacks”.
“Take all your bloviating jacked up to spike the ratings, and all that beer fear you’re trying to sell, all that fear you’re trying to sell and all that beer you’re trying to sell”
Wow. And all you hear is asshole. It’s not just shock value it’s funny, true and expressing a widely held sentiment. Go ahead and tell us that you’ve never yelled that at the tv.

Then the Michael Crichton reference you made with something he wrote in 1992 as proof that “Respect says nothing new, once again making the case for Borrowed Time recorded in 1979, didn’t you even notice that contradiction or should we all check colonial times first to bash Dennis.

Historically I have not been one to criticize and I only offered an opinion on the Mission because I was challenged by Clairvoyant Carnac Styx who always seems to know a little to much before anyone else. Still, not one of the Monkers, or lovers of the Mission would dare post their favorite lyrics off the Mission compared to ones I posted. All giving credence to an actual concept.

ZOD you don’t have to because you have as much as said the Mission isn’t that good because you like Cyclorama better and oh yes and want a couple more songs. I think you mean Tommy and Willy please give us some good songs. Don’t deny it. You will.
Then you incredulously said “reply don’t reply it matters not to me” LMAO
You’d wither and die if that happened all trolls do.

[Monker]

YOU started this thread by criticizing Dennis’s lyrics focusing on the word “asshole” claiming the rest of the lyrics don’t say anything.

This is just not true. Please go back and reread the first post in this thread. I would quote it but it should be easy enough for you to go to the first post in the thread and reread it.

To summarize, what I said was the song was essentially repeatedly calling the news media assholes. That gets old very quickly to me and it is now just "meh" to me. It's a very boring song now.

Then it was Henley who you say said it first and better in “Laundry” while you missed or ignored the obvious differences between them.

I said an article compared it to "Dirty Laundry", and with good reason because they both are critiquing the media. Essentially, I think "Dirty Laundry" does more than just critique the media but challenges the listener about why they are listening/watching/reading such crap. All Dennis does is call them "assholes". So, yeah, to add to that, I think "Dirty Laundry" is a MUCH better song.

Henley’s is about celebrity gossip and crime sensationalism on the news while DeYoung’s is about hidden political agendas pretending to be news

Correct...both are critiquing media........EXACTLY AS I SAID.

Something he first alluded to in 1979, who knows maybe Henley saw it. Remember when The Long Run was number 1 and Cornerstone was number 2. Then the Eagles released “I Cant Tell You Why” and kept there momentum while “First Time” was blocked by Tommy and Cornerstone suffered.

My critique of "With All Due Respect" has absolutely NOTHING to do Tommy Shaw, Cornerstone, or "First Time".

These are Meaningless lyrics according to you,
“But all these know it alls, meatballs and Barbie dolls with breaking news and all the facts” “Breaking news with all the facts Breaking news and heart attacks”.
“We’ve come to realize and shouldn’t be surprised They’re hiding this behind their backs they’re partisan hacks”.
“Take all your bloviating jacked up to spike the ratings, and all that beer fear you’re trying to sell, all that fear you’re trying to sell and all that beer you’re trying to sell”
Wow. And all you hear is asshole. It’s not just shock value it’s funny, true and expressing a widely held sentiment. Go ahead and tell us that you’ve never yelled that at the tv.

All it is doing is setting up the chorus so he can call them 'assholes'. That's it. It's repetitive and boring.

Then the Michael Crichton reference you made with something he wrote in 1992 as proof that “Respect says nothing new, once again making the case for Borrowed Time recorded in 1979, didn’t you even notice that contradiction or should we all check colonial times first to bash Dennis.

I brought up Michael Crichton to yogi because it is a very interesting speech about the state of media in the early 90's, the affect of the internet, and the critique that Crichton was giving. What is happening today is nothing new. That is just a flat out fact. Personally, I like "Why Speculate" a lot more...it's a bit more eye opening about pundits and their predictions of the future.

Have you researched if George Washington complained about the press back when he was President? I haven't....but I am almost CERTAIN that he did. It is the nature of politics.

Historically I have not been one to criticize and I only offered an opinion on the Mission because I was challenged by Clairvoyant Carnac Styx who always seems to know a little to much before anyone else.

But, you didn't really offer a critique. You just used it as an excuse to lob more bombs onto Tommy. Most of it had nothing to do with the music.

Still, not one of the Monkers, or lovers of the Mission would dare post their favorite lyrics off the Mission compared to ones I posted.

I have no intention of feeding a troll.

ZOD you don’t have to because you have as much as said the Mission isn’t that good because you like Cyclorama better and oh yes and want a couple more songs. I think you mean Tommy and Willy please give us some good songs. Don’t deny it. You will.

Of course I deny that. There are some songs on "The Mission" that I like a lot. I believe I explained my critique when I compared it to "The Diary", which, IMO, is a perfect album. There are some obvious flaws that make it imperfect. But, that doesn't mean it is a mediocre or bad album. It just means it is not perfect.

And, yeah, I do want and expect Tommy and Styx to write some more good songs for the next album. If they don't, I'll critique that, too.

Then you incredulously said “reply don’t reply it matters not to me” LMAO
You’d wither and die if that happened all trolls do.

I am not the one who is angry that nobody replied to my thread and using it as an excuse to insult people - you are the one doing that. It reads like hunger pangs to me when you say such crap.

[Monker]

With froy ,toph and Dennis' errand girl suite, you are always a troll if you criticize Dennis.
If you criticize Styx,it is OK,you are not a troll,because Styx sacked Dennis.
Go figure.

Ooops,with all due respect of course .

And, among those who do not post is Zan. I remember when she first came on here and all the absolute crap she was receiving from various people. At one time she even told me that the only reason she was still here was because of me. Things were very much one sided in the DDY direction back then.

So, you're right...there is a lot of hypocrisy being spoken on the DDY side of the fence nowadays.

[yogi]

I loved the lyrics on Locomotive where Tommy sings:
“ No one on earth has ever been so far, Locomotive tell where you are”.

Remember on ‘Why Me’ how Styx & Dennis built that song up at the end when Dennis sang ‘where to go and what to do, you’ve got those bills to pay..... I loved how that song built up to a climax at the end of the song. Run For The Roses does that now and I love that too.

I shift back to Locomotive, it has a great build up at the end, but it’s a way more calming & subtle build up. This makes the song unbelievably brilliant. It’s something you really never hear. It’s like the tone of the song never changes but the song builds & builds.

Tommy did this on Zens with ‘A Place to Call My Own’ which is another brilliant song.

[Monker]

I loved the lyrics on Locomotive where Tommy sings:
“ No one on earth has ever been so far, Locomotive tell where you are”.

Remember on ‘Why Me’ how Styx & Dennis built that song up at the end when Dennis sang ‘where to go and what to do, you’ve got those bills to pay..... I loved how that song built up to a climax at the end of the song. Run For The Roses does that now and I love that too.

I shift back to Locomotive, it has a great build up at the end, but it’s a way more calming & subtle build up. This makes the song unbelievably brilliant. It’s something you really never hear. It’s like the tone of the song never changes but the song builds & builds.

Tommy did this on Zens with ‘A Place to Call My Own’ which is another brilliant song.

Just the title itself is so smart. The lyrics are calling a person "locomotive" as noun. But, it's really not a noun...it is really being descriptive of that person. When you think of "locomotive", you naturally think of how it relates to a train and the one car in the train that drive everything forward. The rest of the lyrics, and a large portion of the rest of the album is about that attitude...moving forward, regardless of the circumstances around you and reaching the end goal.

Just think of the brilliance of THAT. He is using ONE WORD...and with that one word, he is defining the people on "The Mission" as a noun. But, at the very same time, it is an adjective, describing those people. In addition, it is a verb, describing the actions of those people on the mission.

It is just so cool he did that.

[gr8dane]

I loved the lyrics on Locomotive where Tommy sings:
“ No one on earth has ever been so far, Locomotive tell where you are”.

Remember on ‘Why Me’ how Styx & Dennis built that song up at the end when Dennis sang ‘where to go and what to do, you’ve got those bills to pay..... I loved how that song built up to a climax at the end of the song. Run For The Roses does that now and I love that too.

I shift back to Locomotive, it has a great build up at the end, but it’s a way more calming & subtle build up. This makes the song unbelievably brilliant. It’s something you really never hear. It’s like the tone of the song never changes but the song builds & builds.

Tommy did this on Zens with ‘A Place to Call My Own’ which is another brilliant song.

Just the title itself is so smart. The lyrics are calling a person "locomotive" as noun. But, it's really not a noun...it is really being descriptive of that person. When you think of "locomotive", you naturally think of how it relates to a train and the one car in the train that drive everything forward. The rest of the lyrics, and a large portion of the rest of the album is about that attitude...moving forward, regardless of the circumstances around you and reaching the end goal.

Just think of the brilliance of THAT. He is using ONE WORD...and with that one word, he is defining the people on "The Mission" as a noun. But, at the very same time, it is an adjective, describing those people. In addition, it is a verb, describing the actions of those people on the mission.

It is just so cool he did that.

And so cool, that Dennis put 3 of them on his cover.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I said an article compared it to "Dirty Laundry", and with good reason because they both are critiquing the media. Essentially, I think "Dirty Laundry" does more than just critique the media but challenges the listener about why they are listening/watching/reading such crap. All Dennis does is call them "assholes". So, yeah, to add to that, I think "Dirty Laundry" is a MUCH better song.

What’s the Henley lyric where he challenges the listener? This song is all from the point of view of the arrogant and corrupt newscaster.

I gave you examples of the Respect lyrics that do more than set up the chorus even though that’s there job but you can’t even acknowledge his dissection of the news and it’s hidden partisanship, something Henley never brought up. So why use Henley. Laundry was mostly about him and the way the news treated him when he was caught giving drugs at his house to underage hookers.

“Fake you” whoever said that before Dennis, nobody, it’s funny and clever. “Cognoscenti they sure know plenty”. The know it all media and their punditry neatly skewered and once again funny. “Ruby red and royal blue”

“Kick em when there up kick em when there down” is repeated 24 times.
Yet you’re not bored by that. Asshole 3.

I brought up Michael Crichton to yogi because it is a very interesting speech about the state of media in the early 90's, the affect of the internet, and the critique that Crichton was giving. What is happening today is nothing new. That is just a flat out fact. Personally, I like "Why Speculate" a lot more...it's a bit more eye opening about pundits and their predictions of the future.

Have you researched if George Washington complained about the press back when he was President? I haven't....but I am almost CERTAIN that he did. It is the nature of politics.

George Washington or any president complaining about the press is not what this song is about. Are you dense? It’s the media and it’s hidden partisan agendas

Of course I deny that. There are some songs on "The Mission" that I like a lot. I believe I explained my critique when I compared it to "The Diary", which, IMO, is a perfect album. There are some obvious flaws that make it imperfect. But, that doesn't mean it is a mediocre or bad album. It just means it is not perfect.

And, yeah, I do want and expect Tommy and Styx to write some more good songs for the next album. If they don't, I'll critique that, too.

Whenever you're trapped by your own “bloviating” you run off a series of posts proving nothing then write a long screed completely non sequitur like the “Diary” post, like an amateur magician using bad misdirection. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. You broke wind and ranks when you Criticized the Mission hence the post.

I’ve read over 700 comments on Respect and found perhaps 15 including reviews that could be considered negative. It’s rave after rave, amen after amen. Some of those negative comments came from people who didn’t understand the lyrics thinking they were supporting either the Republicans or the Democrats.

Finally you are entitled to your opinion and I would never say a word if I believed it was not corrupted by the lies that you bought into for twenty years and feel obliged to defend because you’re just really defending yourself and your duping.
One simple question did Tommy and JY lie about Dennis’s departure when they posted on their web site that he was retiring and passing the baton to Tommy. Yes or no.
You won’t answer.

[Monker]

I said an article compared it to "Dirty Laundry", and with good reason because they both are critiquing the media. Essentially, I think "Dirty Laundry" does more than just critique the media but challenges the listener about why they are listening/watching/reading such crap. All Dennis does is call them "assholes". So, yeah, to add to that, I think "Dirty Laundry" is a MUCH better song.

What’s the Henley lyric where he challenges the listener? This song is all from the point of view of the arrogant and corrupt newscaster.

The entire song is that way. You can listen to it from either POV. You have such a simplistic view, as if you Googled it and hit a Wiki page and just accepted that as the gospel fact.

I gave you examples of the Respect lyrics that do more than set up the chorus even though that’s there job but you can’t even acknowledge his dissection of the news and it’s hidden partisanship

All those verses do is set up the chorus so he can call them assholes. That's all.

something Henley never brought up. So why use Henley. Laundry was mostly about him and the way the news treated him when he was caught giving drugs at his house to underage hookers.

YOU are the one making this deep comparison. All I said is they both critiqued the media, and that's true. And, IMO, "Dirty Laundry" is a MUCH better song.

“Fake you” whoever said that before Dennis, nobody, it’s funny and clever.

First, I don't think it's clever at all...and it's not that funny to me. As I said, I find that entire opening bit VERY STUPID.

“Cognoscenti they sure know plenty”. The know it all media and their punditry neatly skewered and once again funny. “Ruby red and royal blue”

Yep, so they're assholes. Yawn, boring.

“Kick em when there up kick em when there down” is repeated 24 times.
Yet you’re not bored by that. Asshole 3.

Correct. "Dirty Laundry" has a very simple chorus. The main focus IS the verses, where he has something real to say. All Dennis did was throw up a bunch of simplistic versus to set up calling the media asshole. Yawn.

George Washington or any president complaining about the press is not what this song is about. Are you dense? It’s the media and it’s hidden partisan agendas

Correct. But, you, and yogi, are arguing that this "is a very timely song". It's not. This topic has existed for decades, maybe centuries....therefore the George Washington reference.

Whenever you're trapped by your own “bloviating” you run off a series of posts proving nothing then write a long screed completely non sequitur like the “Diary” post, like an amateur magician using bad misdirection. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. You broke wind and ranks when you Criticized the Mission hence the post.

I have no idea what your mind is inventing now. You've gone loopy.

I was thinking about your comments: asking for comparisons to Styx lyrics, etc. But, I didn't want to feed a troll. When I thought about "The Diary", I realized there was a VERY good comparison there....and I really, really like that album. So, as I believe I said in that post, I could compare those two without continuing the "Styx vs. Dennis" bullshit and better explain my critique of "The Mission". So, I did it, and I had a lot of fun writing it - WHICH IS REALLY WHY I WRITE POSTS LIKE THAT.

I’ve read over 700 comments on Respect and found perhaps 15 including reviews that could be considered negative. It’s rave after rave, amen after amen. Some of those negative comments came from people who didn’t understand the lyrics thinking they were supporting either the Republicans or the Democrats.

Wow, no wonder you've gone loopy.

I really don't care. I find that song incredibly boring now. Read previous comments to find out why.

Finally you are entitled to your opinion and I would never say a word if I believed it was not corrupted by the lies that you bought into for twenty years and feel obliged to defend because you’re just really defending yourself and your duping.
One simple question did Tommy and JY lie about Dennis’s departure when they posted on their web site that he was retiring and passing the baton to Tommy. Yes or no.
You won’t answer.

Of course I'm not going to answer. My thoughts on this song have NOTHING TO DO with Tommy and the break up of Styx.

I'm not going to feed a troll.

[yogi]

Monker your example that this has been going on forever ( partisan politics) is bullshit. Your George Washington example is even bullshitier.

While you are correct in that it’s always happened, the point is is that it’s NEVER happened within the media to this degree.
That’s the entire point. Shit I remember my dad telling me of some guy up in some tiny northern MN town that killed 15-20 people in his family one day in the late 40’s or early 50’s. Others in his family were 25 miles away and didn’t know it had happened for days.

It’s NEVER been like this in the media. The media has now become the arm of one party or another. This(partisan reporting)comes from the top of the media company. You literally can go for months without hearing a positive story related to Trump or members of the Republican Party on CNN , MSNBC , NBC or CBS, Yahoo etc...When Obama was President the exact same could be said regarding Obama & the Democratic Party on Fox. Damn near every story has half truths and they are totally slanted toward that media company’s interests. It’s total bullshit what the media does every minute of every day to the people of this great country. I’m really glad DDY wrote a very good song that pinpoints what the media and the people delivering the message are doing to us every second of every minute of every day. That’s what makes today so different from past times. The media and those delivering the messages or writing the stories are the ones dividing us.

The media was designed to keep the public informed by delivering the facts. Now with every branch of the news cycle delivering news and information every second to people’s phones , the internet, & TV it’s criminal that the news being delivered is always biased toward the angle the news agency wants their listeners to think. It’s mind control, it’s never happened like this before EVER, it’s totally dividing our country & it’s High Time that we should do something about it.