With All Due Respect

[Monker]

Monker your example that this is happened forever ( partisan politics) is bullshit. Your George Washington example is bullshitier.

No I'm not. Just a tiny small bit of Google searching:
https://www.mcall.com/opinion/mc-opi-tr ... story.html

But is acrimony between a U.S. president and America’s Fourth Estate anything new?

Nope.

All presidents — even George Washington — have had their snags with the press, Washington’s disagreements with newspaper editor Philip Freneau being arguably the most notable. Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson’s notes of an August 1793 cabinet meeting, during which Freneau’s broadside, “The Funeral Dirge of George Washington and James Wilson, King and Judge,” was raised. (Note: Washington did not die until 1799; Wilson in 1798.) According to Jefferson, this acerbic broadside “inflamed” Washington to such a heightened point that the father of our nation could no longer “command himself" due to “the personal abuse which had been bestowed on him.”

It's like music. Every older generation complains about the younger generations music being crap. It's the way it is.

There has always been parts of the media/press in favor of the party/philosophy in question, and other parts not in favor. That's they way it is, the it was, and the way it always will be.

While you are correct in that it’s always happened the point is is that it’s NEVER happened within the media to this degree.

That's just not true. Just in my memory, back in the Clinton years, you could say the "mainstream media" was for him, and conservative talk radio was against him...to the same degree that you can say FOX is for Trump and the mainstream media is against him. It's the EXACT SAME THING.

Nixon was INFLAMED by his coverage in mainsteam media. But, there was conservative magazines and press that supported him...THE EXACT SAME THING.

The media has now become the arm of one party or another& this comes from the top of the media company.

Do you not realize that this has been said for literally 100yrs?

You literally can go for months without hearing a positive story related to Trump or members of the Republican Party on CNN , MSNBC , NBC or CBS. When Obama was President the exact same could be said regarding Obama & the Democratic Party on Fox.

And, that is no different then when W was President, or Clinton was President, or when HW Bush was President, or Reagan was President. Did you ever listen to old school Rush Limbaugh and his complaints about this very subject? It's just NOT NEW.

The media was designed to keep the public informed by delivering the facts.

Nobody "designed" the media. Media exists to make money. Period. They cater to certain viewers/listeners/readers so they can sell advertising and make money. That is the way it has always been.

The idea of "Freedom of the Press" is designed so the government can not control media to the point where they are not critical of government. Government does not control the news, and never should.

Now with every beach of the news cycle delivering news and information every second to people’s phones , the internet, & TV it’s criminal that the news being delivered is always biased toward the angle the news agency wants their listeners to think. It’s mind control, it’s never happened like this before EVER, it’s totally dividing our country & it’s High Time that we should do something about it.

People have complained about this for DECADES.

It's also not "mind control". YOU control what shows up on your phone. YOU decide what network to watch for the news. YOU control what magazines you read and what websites you visit. The only thing media controls is the content...YOU decide whether to consume it or not.

The divisions exist because people naturally want to surround themselves with what they WANT to believe, whether it is true or not. Most people are not like me, who can watch MSNBC *OR* FOX and have sense enough to discard the bullshit...and I do watch both. So, people consume only one side, believe everything they consume, and think the other side is full of shit. But, it's not the fault of the media...it's the fault of those who are simple minded and can't step out of their comfort zone and consider that what they are consuming may not be truth.

So, to tie this back on topic to "With All Due Respect", calling the media assholes is not even addressing the above problem. The people who mindlessly believe everything they see, read, and hear are the real problem and where the change really needs to happen. Dennis was close to reality with the "Turn Off CNN"...but it's really "Turn off the Bullshit", because the only way anything changes is if media starts having shrinking profits...which goes back to the Mediasaurus speech which is what Crichton predicted would happen...but he did not account for the fact that the vast majority of people are dumb, lazy and naive and do not really seek out factual news....they prefer infotainment and drama.

[yogi]

Damn your last post was really good Monker. You should of said all of that first.

[yogi]

Now tell me this Monker since you game, set & matched me on your last post. This will get away from this topic some.

You obviously are more pro Tommy, JY and the rest of what now is Styx than you are DDY. I was at the Texas Jamm in both ( 82&83). In 82 Journey headlined the show. I can’t remember but either Hagar or Nugent we’re right before Journey and the following year when Styx headlined the Jamm Hagar was right before Styx. The similarities in both shows were that it was hotter than hades both days. It actually might of been hotter in 82 Journey Jam. But both jams it was at least 95-110 degrees. The bathroom situation was horrendous, people were extremely drunk and there were fights at both Jamms.Also & most importantly BEFORE the headliner( Journey & Styx) came out thousands of people left. These both were festival shows with 7-10 acts playing prior to the headlining act.People left before Hagar, people left before Nugent, people left before Triumph ....

I was really more pro Tommy / JY until the Behind The Music episode came out because I believe anyone’s entitled to play with whomever they want to. But the lies that Tommy/ JY and Cahil told about the Texas Jam were unreal and totally made up. The people left before Styx even came on stage. Just like people left before Journey came on stage the year before. I commented both years saying something like how on earth could people be bailing on Journey/ Styx. The first year two of the girls we were with who actually wanted to see Journey by far the most wanted to leave because they were so tired.

Anyway on the BTM episode Tommy & JY led everyone watching to believe that thousands of people left the Texas Jamm because they did not want to watch the horrid Kilroy Was Here Show. They left because they hated the concept, didn’t want to see a rock band perform Shakesphere.They just wanted to rock. That’s total bullshit. I would bet at least 90% of the people attending the Jam had no idea that there was gonna be a film and acting. They were there to see the Texas Jamm with Styx as the headliner.

Their exit had absolutely NOTHING to do with Styx performing The Kilroy Was Here Show. Many were tired, many were hot...Jits just like when I saw REO, Styx and Journey perform in the 2000’s. I saw this triple bill show twice. On both occasions many people left before & during the headliner Journey. Here’s another bit of info that was never told. Right after Hagar( Rik Emmett was up there with him) and finished(Styx show)the PA at the Cotton Bowl announced that the TX Blue Laws were going to go into effect immediately. This meant no more beer would be sold. They didn’t announce this the prior year they just cut everybody off right when Journey hit the stage. This really pissed a lot of people off because by law the TX Blue Laws were not suppose to into effect until 12am on Sunday. Hell for the Styx show the truck I came in had plenty of beer left. The truck was probably less than 10 minutes from the infield where we were watching all the concerts. 3 or 4 of my buddies left to go to the parking lot to get more beer & pee. Since there was no re entry and it took them forever to find the truck among about 25,000 other vehicles we found them dead ass asleep when we got there after the Styx show concluded.

Finally I would bet for both Texas Jamms there were at least 35-40,000 people in attendance. I would also bet when both Jamms concluded there were at least 25-30,000 people left watching. On both occasions we couldn’t find our vehicles for what seemed hours after. My question to you is don’t you think it’s 100% wrong to basically kick a guy out who probably for a majority of the fans (51%) the main reason they liked the band in the first place. To kick him out because he’s sick( remember had Dennis not gotten sick he would of been touring with in 99 after the release of BNW). Then after they kick him out start spreading numerous lies about the reason they kicked him out. I just presented the one very big lie that they public ally stated. So don’t you think that is really shitty of Tommy, JY and even Chuck to have done this?

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I loved the lyrics on Locomotive where Tommy sings:
“ No one on earth has ever been so far, Locomotive tell where you are”.

Remember on ‘Why Me’ how Styx & Dennis built that song up at the end when Dennis sang ‘where to go and what to do, you’ve got those bills to pay..... I loved how that song built up to a climax at the end of the song. Run For The Roses does that now and I love that too.

I shift back to Locomotive, it has a great build up at the end, but it’s a way more calming & subtle build up. This makes the song unbelievably brilliant. It’s something you really never hear. It’s like the tone of the song never changes but the song builds & builds.

Tommy did this on Zens with ‘A Place to Call My Own’ which is another brilliant song.

Just the title itself is so smart. The lyrics are calling a person "locomotive" as noun. But, it's really not a noun...it is really being descriptive of that person. When you think of "locomotive", you naturally think of how it relates to a train and the one car in the train that drive everything forward. The rest of the lyrics, and a large portion of the rest of the album is about that attitude...moving forward, regardless of the circumstances around you and reaching the end goal.

Just think of the brilliance of THAT. He is using ONE WORD...and with that one word, he is defining the people on "The Mission" as a noun. But, at the very same time, it is an adjective, describing those people. In addition, it is a verb, describing the actions of those people on the mission.

It is just so cool he did that.

Look up in the sky it’s a noun, it’s a verb, it’s an adjective, adverb, pronoun, conjunction, preposition, and let me interject it’s Super Tommy who with one word has defined and explained the secret of life and connected all other songs on the album and all other beings on the planet, I repeat “with one word”. Praise Tommy
In your former job you worked for the KGB rewriting history.
Too much BATHWATER does this to the brain. LOL

[SuiteMadameBlue]

The entire song is that way. You can listen to it from either POV. You have such a simplistic view, as if you Googled it and hit a Wiki page and just accepted that as the gospel fact.

True said Zod commander of the flat earth society. It’s my POV. Read this:

The song is about the callousness of TV news reporting as well as the tabloidization of all news. Henley sings from the standpoint of a news anchorman who "could have been an actor, but I wound up here", and thus is not a real journalist. The song's theme is that TV news coverage focuses too much on negative and sensationalist news; in particular, deaths, disasters, and scandals, with little regard to the consequences or for what is important ("We all know that crap is king"). The song was inspired by the intrusive press coverage surrounding the deaths of John Belushi and Natalie Wood, and Henley's own arrest in 1980 when he was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor and possession of marijuana, cocaine, and Quaaludes after paramedics treated a 16-year-old female prostitute who was subsequently suffering from drug intoxication at his Los Angeles home.

And this:

ttps://tolleystopics.com/2019/11/13/som ... on-henley/

All those verses do is set up the chorus so he can call them assholes. That's all.

Exactly just like “Laundry”

First, I don't think it's clever at all...and it's not that funny to me. As I said, I find that entire opening bit VERY STUPID.

Your opinion is valid to you.

Yep, so they're assholes. Yawn, boring.

Yawn Boring a famous Swedish Tennis Champ. LOL

I have no idea what your mind is inventing now. You've gone loopy.

I was thinking about your comments: asking for comparisons to Styx lyrics, etc. But, I didn't want to feed a troll. When I thought about "The Diary", I realized there was a VERY good comparison there....and I really, really like that album. So, as I believe I said in that post, I could compare those two without continuing the "Styx vs. Dennis" bullshit and better explain my critique of "The Mission". So, I did it, and I had a lot of fun writing it - WHICH IS REALLY WHY I WRITE POSTS LIKE THAT.

I’m loopy said “little Dupe and loopy Lou” there he goes all caps he’s really frustrated.

Of course I'm not going to answer. My thoughts on this song have NOTHING TO DO with Tommy and the break up of Styx.

“Of course I’m not going to answer” You’re acting like I’m asking about your tax returns. Shall I start a new thread and ask the question so you can’t cower in the shadows behind this “Respect” thread as an excuse.
That goes for Dane too.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker your example that this is happened forever ( partisan politics) is bullshit. Your George Washington example is bullshitier.

No I'm not. Just a tiny small bit of Google searching:
https://www.mcall.com/opinion/mc-opi-tr ... story.html

But is acrimony between a U.S. president and America’s Fourth Estate anything new?

Nope.

All presidents — even George Washington — have had their snags with the press, Washington’s disagreements with newspaper editor Philip Freneau being arguably the most notable. Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson’s notes of an August 1793 cabinet meeting, during which Freneau’s broadside, “The Funeral Dirge of George Washington and James Wilson, King and Judge,” was raised. (Note: Washington did not die until 1799; Wilson in 1798.) According to Jefferson, this acerbic broadside “inflamed” Washington to such a heightened point that the father of our nation could no longer “command himself" due to “the personal abuse which had been bestowed on him.”

It's like music. Every older generation complains about the younger generations music being crap. It's the way it is.

There has always been parts of the media/press in favor of the party/philosophy in question, and other parts not in favor. That's they way it is, the it was, and the way it always will be.

While you are correct in that it’s always happened the point is is that it’s NEVER happened within the media to this degree.

That's just not true. Just in my memory, back in the Clinton years, you could say the "mainstream media" was for him, and conservative talk radio was against him...to the same degree that you can say FOX is for Trump and the mainstream media is against him. It's the EXACT SAME THING.

Nixon was INFLAMED by his coverage in mainsteam media. But, there was conservative magazines and press that supported him...THE EXACT SAME THING.

The media has now become the arm of one party or another& this comes from the top of the media company.

Do you not realize that this has been said for literally 100yrs?

You literally can go for months without hearing a positive story related to Trump or members of the Republican Party on CNN , MSNBC , NBC or CBS. When Obama was President the exact same could be said regarding Obama & the Democratic Party on Fox.

And, that is no different then when W was President, or Clinton was President, or when HW Bush was President, or Reagan was President. Did you ever listen to old school Rush Limbaugh and his complaints about this very subject? It's just NOT NEW.

The media was designed to keep the public informed by delivering the facts.

Nobody "designed" the media. Media exists to make money. Period. They cater to certain viewers/listeners/readers so they can sell advertising and make money. That is the way it has always been.

The idea of "Freedom of the Press" is designed so the government can not control media to the point where they are not critical of government. Government does not control the news, and never should.

Now with every beach of the news cycle delivering news and information every second to people’s phones , the internet, & TV it’s criminal that the news being delivered is always biased toward the angle the news agency wants their listeners to think. It’s mind control, it’s never happened like this before EVER, it’s totally dividing our country & it’s High Time that we should do something about it.

People have complained about this for DECADES.

It's also not "mind control". YOU control what shows up on your phone. YOU decide what network to watch for the news. YOU control what magazines you read and what websites you visit. The only thing media controls is the content...YOU decide whether to consume it or not.

The divisions exist because people naturally want to surround themselves with what they WANT to believe, whether it is true or not. Most people are not like me, who can watch MSNBC *OR* FOX and have sense enough to discard the bullshit...and I do watch both. So, people consume only one side, believe everything they consume, and think the other side is full of shit. But, it's not the fault of the media...it's the fault of those who are simple minded and can't step out of their comfort zone and consider that what they are consuming may not be truth.

So, to tie this back on topic to "With All Due Respect", calling the media assholes is not even addressing the above problem. The people who mindlessly believe everything they see, read, and hear are the real problem and where the change really needs to happen. Dennis was close to reality with the "Turn Off CNN"...but it's really "Turn off the Bullshit", because the only way anything changes is if media starts having shrinking profits...which goes back to the Mediasaurus speech which is what Crichton predicted would happen...but he did not account for the fact that the vast majority of people are dumb, lazy and naive and do not really seek out factual news....they prefer infotainment and drama.

For the last time this song has nothing to do with “presidents” I Dare you to show the lyric to people on this site referring to any president ever. Come on troll. I know it’s your precious POV. He’s pretty certain the earth is flat, it’s his POV so to hell with the facts. What do you call someone who keeps repeating his initial mistake over and over, ZOD THE Monker.

A whole post about presidents who’s loopy now? Again” little Dupe and loopy Dupe.

You did not tie anything back to Respect. Fellow posters how ignorant in this person.
Calling the media assholes after the blistering verses Dennis has written is not just calling them that he is calling them out for what they’re doing.
Once again Crichton 1992, DeYoung 1979. He can’t count either. Washington! Next he’ll have a Julius Caesar reference and his hatred of the Senate. Well he might have a point there.

[Monker]

Look up in the sky it’s a noun, it’s a verb, it’s an adjective, adverb, pronoun, conjunction, preposition, and let me interject it’s Super Tommy who with one word has defined and explained the secret of life and connected all other songs on the album and all other beings on the planet, I repeat “with one word”. Praise Tommy
In your former job you worked for the KGB rewriting history.
Too much BATHWATER does this to the brain. LOL

And, this is why I didn't reply to your thread asking for posts like I made. It was nothing but you trolling for replies so you can write stuff like the above.

I like Locomotive a lot. I find "With All Due Respect" BORING. That's my opinion. Get over it and stop trolling.

[Monker]

The entire song is that way. You can listen to it from either POV. You have such a simplistic view, as if you Googled it and hit a Wiki page and just accepted that as the gospel fact.

True said Zod commander of the flat earth society. It’s my POV. Read this:

Why? You are being an ass.

All those verses do is set up the chorus so he can call them assholes. That's all.

Exactly just like “Laundry”

Not in my opinion. "Dirty Laundry" emphasizes the verses and has an extremely simple chorus. "With All Due Respect" has versus that set up a shock drama chorus, which is simplistic writing to get an emotional affect. IT BORES ME.

First, I don't think it's clever at all...and it's not that funny to me. As I said, I find that entire opening bit VERY STUPID.

Your opinion is valid to you.

Exactly. I'm a majority of 1. I don't care about the count of who agrees or not. I'll just keep posting my opinion over and over again.

Yep, so they're assholes. Yawn, boring.

Yawn Boring a famous Swedish Tennis Champ. LOL

No, that's Bjorn Borg. "With All Due Respect" bores me and makes me yawn.

I have no idea what your mind is inventing now. You've gone loopy.

I was thinking about your comments: asking for comparisons to Styx lyrics, etc. But, I didn't want to feed a troll. When I thought about "The Diary", I realized there was a VERY good comparison there....and I really, really like that album. So, as I believe I said in that post, I could compare those two without continuing the "Styx vs. Dennis" bullshit and better explain my critique of "The Mission". So, I did it, and I had a lot of fun writing it - WHICH IS REALLY WHY I WRITE POSTS LIKE THAT.

I’m loopy said “little Dupe and loopy Lou” there he goes all caps he’s really frustrated.

Yes, you are acting loopy. Frustrated, no. Emphasizing my point, yes.

“Of course I’m not going to answer” You’re acting like I’m asking about your tax returns. Shall I start a new thread and ask the question so you can’t cower in the shadows behind this “Respect” thread as an excuse.
That goes for Dane too.

Correct. This also has nothing to do with my tax returns and I wouldn't answer those questions either.

You are just trolling so you can post bullshit like I pointed out in my previous post. I'm not feeding the troll.

[Monker]

For the last time this song has nothing to do with “presidents”

Correct. However, this idea that it is "timely" is bullshit...which is why I bring it up. The media/press has ALWAYS been split along partisan lines with buillshit stories and commentary. Dennis did not comment on anything new.

Calling the media assholes after the blistering verses Dennis has written is not just calling them that he is calling them out for what they’re doing.

I do not find anything "blistering", or even entertaining, about the versus. All he is doing is posting his own bullshit to justify calling the media assholes. It's easy, lazy, boring writing.

Once again Crichton 1992, DeYoung 1979. He can’t count either. Washington! Next he’ll have a Julius Caesar reference and his hatred of the Senate. Well he might have a point there.

Actually, you are probably correct. Again, in ancient times, rulers probably did bitch about how they were being portrayed in whatever they had for the "press" or "media". Whatever they had for "media" was probably biased and split politicaly. It's just human nature...something you just don't seem to understand.

[gr8dane]

Just a note about froyline and Toph...they did not leave the forum on their own....Andrew kicked them off.

And like all buffoons removed from this board, I hadn't thought of any of them since banning.

Re: others leaving - I haven't received one email or PM. Who left and why exactly?

But Monker, I think the baby killing reference is a bit graphic/too much....can you remove that quote?

Andrew, thanks to you and your board I met a lot of great people and am still friends with many of them. When some of us would post positive Dennis stuff, it was usually Monker that would come in and rip it apart, just like now. Then you would have gr8dane and ChicagoStyx add to it.

However......later Toph would rip on Current Styx.
.

However....before toph there was froy,and now, YOU.
Forgot boomer.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Monker is finished. He’s not a worthy adversary anymore. Just read his pathetic retorts, repetitive and ignorant, doubling down on “oh father of our country”. He’s still in junior high being picked on by the big boys. Did he even get the Bjorn Borg joke? He refuses to answer a simple question. But by not answering he answers. Plus it was just announced that he was in charge of the Iowa caucus. So to him I give the last word “DUPED”.

Gr8 which stands for “grate” as in grating. Grating and cutting the cheese that he so despises.
He hides under the bridge waiting for someone to post so he can leap out and make a snide insulting comment that only he finds humorous. He fancies himself clever and funny. That’s an audience of one. He’s has been trolling all Styx fans of Dennis for years, going so far as to include Dennis’s family in his mean spirited malicious posts. Dennis “bad” Tommy and JY “good” is his motto. Along with “how low can I stoop be a dupe”. His motivation is fueled by the blatant and continuous distortion and lies he has believed from day one from the mouths of his hero’s. “Dupette” anyone. Here he is, BATHWATER drinker from the trio of El Dupe’ and the Monkers, say hello to their first soprano, GR CHIMP. I’m working on more ways to make fun of your name and your old posts so don’t be jealous of all the attention I’ve given you know who.

Toph, Froy, Boom you say. LMAO. You’re scared aren’t you. You do not want to take me on because you know I do not have to resort to your tactics or theirs to make my point. And my posts have not been anything like yours or theirs or Monkers. Quite the opposite and you know it. But the time has come for you to stop the Dennis bashing and admit your trolling of him was mostly inspired by lies. But like dupe you cannot answer this simple question, did Tommy and JY lie when they said he was retiring and passing the baton to Tommy?
The Styx forum awaits.

[Monker]

Monker is finished. He’s not a worthy adversary anymore. Just read his pathetic retorts, repetitive and ignorant, doubling down on “oh father of our country”. He’s still in junior high being picked on by the big boys. Did he even get the Bjorn Borg joke? He refuses to answer a simple question. But by not answering he answers. Plus it was just announced that he was in charge of the Iowa caucus. So to him I give the last word “DUPED”.

Gr8 which stands for “grate” as in grating. Grating and cutting the cheese that he so despises.
He hides under the bridge waiting for someone to post so he can leap out and make a snide insulting comment that only he finds humorous. He fancies himself clever and funny. That’s an audience of one. He’s has been trolling all Styx fans of Dennis for years, going so far as to include Dennis’s family in his mean spirited malicious posts. Dennis “bad” Tommy and JY “good” is his motto. Along with “how low can I stoop be a dupe”. His motivation is fueled by the blatant and continuous distortion and lies he has believed from day one from the mouths of his hero’s. “Dupette” anyone. Here he is, BATHWATER drinker from the trio of El Dupe’ and the Monkers, say hello to their first soprano, GR CHIMP. I’m working on more ways to make fun of your name and your old posts so don’t be jealous of all the attention I’ve given you know who.

Toph, Froy, Boom you say. LMAO. You’re scared aren’t you. You do not want to take me on because you know I do not have to resort to your tactics or theirs to make my point. And my posts have not been anything like yours or theirs or Monkers. Quite the opposite and you know it. But the time has come for you to stop the Dennis bashing and admit your trolling of him was mostly inspired by lies. But like dupe you cannot answer this simple question, did Tommy and JY lie when they said he was retiring and passing the baton to Tommy?
The Styx forum awaits.

All you are doing is trolling for a specific argument. You are the very definition of a troll.

Of course I am being repetitive...it's my opinion that "With All Due Respect" is boring. All it does is uses shock drama to try to get an emotional reaction. IMO, that is lazy writing and boring. That's my opinion. I started this thread to share that opinion...thanks for reading it and sharing yours. But, I have no intention of indulging your trolling by replying to your diversions. It's just not going to happen.

I will not feed the troll.

[gr8dane]

Monker is finished. He’s not a worthy adversary anymore. Just read his pathetic retorts, repetitive and ignorant, doubling down on “oh father of our country”. He’s still in junior high being picked on by the big boys. Did he even get the Bjorn Borg joke? He refuses to answer a simple question. But by not answering he answers. Plus it was just announced that he was in charge of the Iowa caucus. So to him I give the last word “DUPED”.

Gr8 which stands for “grate” as in grating. Grating and cutting the cheese that he so despises.
He hides under the bridge waiting for someone to post so he can leap out and make a snide insulting comment that only he finds humorous. He fancies himself clever and funny. That’s an audience of one. He’s has been trolling all Styx fans of Dennis for years, going so far as to include Dennis’s family in his mean spirited malicious posts. Dennis “bad” Tommy and JY “good” is his motto. Along with “how low can I stoop be a dupe”. His motivation is fueled by the blatant and continuous distortion and lies he has believed from day one from the mouths of his hero’s. “Dupette” anyone. Here he is, BATHWATER drinker from the trio of El Dupe’ and the Monkers, say hello to their first soprano, GR CHIMP. I’m working on more ways to make fun of your name and your old posts so don’t be jealous of all the attention I’ve given you know who.

Toph, Froy, Boom you say. LMAO. You’re scared aren’t you. You do not want to take me on because you know I do not have to resort to your tactics or theirs to make my point. And my posts have not been anything like yours or theirs or Monkers. Quite the opposite and you know it. But the time has come for you to stop the Dennis bashing and admit your trolling of him was mostly inspired by lies. But like dupe you cannot answer this simple question, did Tommy and JY lie when they said he was retiring and passing the baton to Tommy?
The Styx forum awaits.

Excellent post suite.
Lots of grate insight grate=gr8
Lots to answer, but about to pull out of internet zone for a week.(or hide under a bridge so to speak).
But I can spare a minute.
Love the grate the cheese .Dennis is cheese.I couldn't have said it better myself.
Yes I said toph froy and boom,, they used to do the dirty work, so you didn't need to.But now, you are slowly but surely entering their zone.
I am so scared ,that I have been 'taking you on' for years.But of course ,you danced around the questions, and the answers never came.
Did Tommy and JY lie ? Don't know and I don't care.I am not you or them.
Did Dennis ever lie ? Never.
Did your president lie ? Just once.

Anyways,looking forward to more nicknames

By the wy,,You working on my old posts and coming up with new names for me ? Doesn't really make you much better than I. Talk about scoring an own goal. But i am game.Keep them coming.
And one more thing.Being a Dennis fan is not healthy for you.You sound like you are about explode.

[ChicagoSTYX]

DDY posted on Facebook yesterday about the chart numbers for 26 East saying how shocked he was, but the post contained no chart numbers!? I guess that’s his way of saying he was shocked that it didn’t chart! And I say this with all due respect.

[yogi]

I can ABSOLUTELY answer the question did Tommy & JY lie??

For 100% sure they did when they talked about the Dallas portion of the TX Jamm. I was there and I know what happened. Again and I’ve stated this since 1999. Thousands of people did leave but the major major majority left before Styx even took the stage. Thousands left the year before, prior to headliner Journey taking the stage. You’ve got 40,000-50,000 people most who have been there in the EXTREME heat since 9am and the headliner doest come on until 9:30- 10:30pm. People get worn out. Even strong, young people in great shape.

I’m proud to say I made it from start to finish for both shows minus the local talent that would come on around noon. The lies Tommy, JY & Cahil told on the HIGHLY watched behind the music IMO was what orchestrated the spin to the narrative for Tommy, JY & Chuck to steal the band from Dennis. They made Dennis look like total shit. That one HUGE lie with 3 people telling it set the narrative to never bring him back. It made Dennis look like the bad guy with the ‘poor’ rest of them being the victims. What total bullshit.

You gotta remember Dennis was in the band for Edge, Return To Paradise, & Return to The Grand Illusion ( or whatever that tour was called). He met up with Tommy on Tommy’s Borders/Zens bookstore tour in Chicago just a year prior and 15 years after Kilroy was released. Say what you want but the Kilroy album and tour was long forgotten when they brought all that shit back up. It was brought up to spin a narrative.

Also remember had Dennis not gotten sick he would of toured and I’m sure would of been much more involved with the Brave New World album. I saw the Brave New World concert in 1999 @ The Far West Rodeo in San Antonio. My wife was with me 8 1/2 months pregnant with our daughter. I absolutely loved the show. When my daughter was born she was a handful for the first 2 years. Never slept at night and I’d drive around town for hours nightly to get her to sleep the only song that put her at ease was Blue Collar Man. How crazy is that?? Anyway I was far more in the Styx camp then the DDY camp until that Behind The Music came out. I saw that episode probably about 6 months after I saw Styx with Gowan and loved the show in San Antonio. I just couldn’t believe the WHOPPER that was told about the Texas Jamm.

Why Dennis didn’t sue over that I’ll never know???

[StyxGuy]

DDY posted on Facebook yesterday about the chart numbers for 26 East saying how shocked he was, but the post contained no chart numbers!? I guess that’s his way of saying he was shocked that it didn’t chart! And I say this with all due respect.

Didn't you read his post?

Hey kids,
These are chart numbers from my albums first week. And this during a pandemic and an economic disaster. Truly I never expected anything like this so thanks for all your support.

#9 Current Rock Albums*
#37 Top Current Albums*
#57 Billboard Top Albums*

[yogi]

I don’t see it at 57 on Billboards top albums. I don’t see it anywhere in the top 200 and there are albums listed that are 40 yrs old.

Am I looking in the wrong place? There’s no way this shits accurate anyway is there? I’ve read billboard does not include Amazon sales, most internet sales, sales off of the artists website, sales from the albums label and sales from the artists concerts. How on earth is this accurate??

With all that said I don’t see 26 East listed

[SuiteMadameBlue]

DDY posted on Facebook yesterday about the chart numbers for 26 East saying how shocked he was, but the post contained no chart numbers!? I guess that’s his way of saying he was shocked that it didn’t chart! And I say this with all due respect.

Really? Just like StyxGuy posted above it was on his Facebook page and also below.

Chicago Styx speaks: BATHWATER goggles firmly in place, Tommy shrine polished, thinking of new Dennis insults, consult with Styx camp, reread Dennis Facebook post. Duh I forgot got that last one. Apologies with all the success and accolades DeYoung has been getting I was too much in a hurry to say something stupid and bad.
Tommy I promise to try harder please don’t be mad and replace me too.............


Hey kids,
These are chart numbers from my albums first week. And this during a pandemic and an economic disaster. Truly I never expected anything like this so thanks for all your support.

#9 Current Rock Albums*
#37 Top Current Albums*
#57 Billboard Top Albums*

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Top Ten UCR

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/


Dylan, Neil Young, Ozzy, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Nine Inch Nails, Joe Satriani etc. and Dennis. It’s obvious, people love “Cheese”.

That sound you just heard was the mic dropping on Chicago Styx’s big toe, bouncing up to hit GR8 on the “bridge” of his nose then ricocheting into the throat of El Dupe’. Bad luck 3 on a Monker. Go away little trolls your mommies are calling you.

About the band, Dennis never lied. They did, it’s in print and you’re a coward when you say you don’t care. Because you are one of the people who can’t admit when they’re wrong and you are scared. And you were wrong at the top of your lungs.

Dennis did however hide the truth to protect Tommy concerning his out of control behavior on drugs and alcohol, hoping that he’d get well and come back to the band. He would not replace him like the others wanted. And again until recently he protected Tommy by not telling us it was Tommy who needed the money that caused the 97 tour, instead of a new Styx album.

His thanks, one year later while sick he’s replaced. Styx is now Tommy’s plaything.
The bath tub is empty just like you trolls.

[Monker]

DDY posted on Facebook yesterday about the chart numbers for 26 East saying how shocked he was, but the post contained no chart numbers!? I guess that’s his way of saying he was shocked that it didn’t chart! And I say this with all due respect.

Really? Just like StyxGuy posted above it was on his Facebook page and also below.

Chicago Styx speaks: BATHWATER goggles firmly in place, Tommy shrine polished, thinking of new Dennis insults, consult with Styx camp, reread Dennis Facebook post. Duh I forgot got that last one. Apologies with all the success and accolades DeYoung has been getting I was too much in a hurry to say something stupid and bad.
Tommy I promise to try harder please don’t be mad and replace me too.............


Hey kids,
These are chart numbers from my albums first week. And this during a pandemic and an economic disaster. Truly I never expected anything like this so thanks for all your support.

#9 Current Rock Albums*
#37 Top Current Albums*
#57 Billboard Top Albums*

The first two sound like they are from Amazon - which IS NOT A CHART. If they are from anything legitimate, where is a link to the chart?

The Billboard thing does not pan out. Here is a link to the top 200 albums. What week is it found at #57? It doesn't seem to be there. If this is not the chart, where is a link to the proper chart?
https://www.billboard.com/charts/billbo ... 2020-05-30

[Monker]

You are such a propagandist. You are stuck so far up Dennis' ass that all you do is spiew his fumes here.

This is pathetic. You and Yogi want to turn back time to 20yrs ago and argue this shit all over again. You want to waste your time on a twenty year old split and be a whiny bitch about things that happened 40 or 50yrs ago.. You opened this can of worms.

Yogi, you were at the Texas Jam, I wasn't. But, so was Tommy, JY, and Cahill. So, IMO, the real truth is probably some where in the middle. Have you ever looked at it from their point of view. They didn't want to do this acting show in the first place and they are setting up while people are leaving - FOR WHATEVER REASON - and they start playing, and they keep leaving - FOR WHATEVER REASON. I doubt very much that you spent your time watching who was coming and going...unless you are spending most of your time with your back to the band. So, I don't think it's unreasonable for them to assume it was because of this show they didn't want to do, didn't believe in...and were frustrated and angry as hell that they were forced into it

As for "stealling" DDY's life's work, or whatever: First of all, that is such an arrogant, self-centered, controlling remark to make. It's WHY HE IS NOT IN THE BAND. He is not the only one who was there from the start, JY and Chuck were there, too. Tommy was there for the majority of it, too. It's not just HIS "life's work". Dennis is such a whiny bitch. Grow up .

[ChicagoSTYX]

DDY posted on Facebook yesterday about the chart numbers for 26 East saying how shocked he was, but the post contained no chart numbers!? I guess that’s his way of saying he was shocked that it didn’t chart! And I say this with all due respect.

Didn't you read his post?

Hey kids,
These are chart numbers from my albums first week. And this during a pandemic and an economic disaster. Truly I never expected anything like this so thanks for all your support.

#9 Current Rock Albums*
#37 Top Current Albums*
#57 Billboard Top Albums*

DDY is being misleading in this post. 26 East did not chart on the billboard top 200 albums. The Mission came in at #45 on the Billboard top 200 albums. DDY could not crack the top 200! Case closed!
Here are the rest of the chart numbers from Billboard for the Mission... All verifiable!!
. #6 Top Rock Albums
- #11 Physical Albums
- #11 Vinyl Albums
- #13 Current Albums
- #14 Billboard Top Albums
- #16 Retail
- #17 Mass Merch/Non-Traditional
- #29 Digital Albums
- #45 Billboard 200 (includes catalog and streaming).

[SuiteMadameBlue]

a whiny bitch

Real nice calling me that, wonderful Other people get booted off or even banned with this, but you won't be.

I feel bad for your wife, I can imagine how you treat her.

[Monker]

a whiny bitch

Real nice calling me that, wonderful Other people get booted off or even banned with this, but you won't be.

Oh, really. Who was booted off for less than that, and why were they booted off?

You go post after post calling me bullshit. Get a thicker skin and grow up.

[yogi]

Just watched the video again. The song is absolutely fuc.... brilliant!!

When you can totally rip (Joe, Mika,Alison, Robin, Ainsley, Steve,Brian,Rachel, Lawerence, Ali, Chris, Chris, Brian, Al, Melissa, Brooke, Anderson,Chris, David, Don, Dr. Sanjay, Brian, Jake, Rush, Bill, Mark, Tucker, Martha, Laura, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Yahoo News, Google News, Newsmax, Facebook, Twitter....) and all the other total hacks that tell & print half truths and slanted stories that's aimed at dividing a country for their own political agendas and do this without naming names or choosing sides with an incredibly poignant, hard driving, lyrically perfect that's sung to perfection and to the point, song.

The guy who came up with this, and sung this, is an ABSOLUTE CREATIVE GENIUS, who TOTALLY GETS IT!!!

[Monker]

Just watched the video again. The song is absolutely fuc.... brilliant!!

When you can totally rip (Joe, Mika,Alison, Robin, Ainsley, Steve,Brian,Rachel, Lawerence, Ali, Chris, Chris, Brian, Al, Melissa, Brooke, Anderson,Chris, David, Don, Dr. Sanjay, Brian, Jake, Rush, Bill, Mark, Tucker, Martha, Laura, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Yahoo News, Google News, Newsmax, Facebook, Twitter....) and all the other total hacks that tell & print half truths and slanted stories that's aimed at dividing a country for their own political agendas and do this without naming names or choosing sides with an incredibly poignant, hard driving, lyrically perfect that's sung to perfection and to the point, song.

The guy who came up with this, and sung this, is an ABSOLUTE CREATIVE GENIUS, who TOTALLY GETS IT!!!

It doesn't take a creative genius to call people assholes. In the end, that is all this song does. Boring. It's about as creative as this...and only a fraction as funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th4Czv1j3F8

[SuiteMadameBlue]

DDY posted on Facebook yesterday about the chart numbers for 26 East saying how shocked he was, but the post contained no chart numbers!? I guess that’s his way of saying he was shocked that it didn’t chart! And I say this with all due respect.

Didn't you read his post?

Hey kids,
These are chart numbers from my albums first week. And this during a pandemic and an economic disaster. Truly I never expected anything like this so thanks for all your support.

#9 Current Rock Albums*
#37 Top Current Albums*
#57 Billboard Top Albums*

DDY is being misleading in this post. 26 East did not chart on the billboard top 200 albums. The Mission came in at #45 on the Billboard top 200 albums. DDY could not crack the top 200! Case closed!
Here are the rest of the chart numbers from Billboard for the Mission... All verifiable!!
. #6 Top Rock Albums
- #11 Physical Albums
- #11 Vinyl Albums
- #13 Current Albums
- #14 Billboard Top Albums
- #16 Retail
- #17 Mass Merch/Non-Traditional
- #29 Digital Albums
- #45 Billboard 200 (includes catalog and streaming).

Hopefully this link will show up with the chart information. For some reason I can't post the attachment.


https://www.facebook.com/DennisDeYoungO ... 33/?type=3

[yogi]

Monker, you are hung up on one word and you are terribly biased against Dennis.

A while back you made some very insightful comments pertaining to the fact that this has always been around and we (citizens of USA) can always 'Turn Off CNN', turn off Fox, read something different, read more, read less, get the news from various sources (like you do) etc.. These were all fantastic points. The problem LIES in that the vast majority of Americans dont do this, and the media knows it. They also know the shock value of a story. Shock gets viewers. Shock gets advertisors We can now be shocked every second of every day. Never before could this happen.

We now live in an era ( for the first time) where ''Breaking News" comes at us every second of the day. The news breaks on our phones(which everyone carries) on hundreds of thousands of internet websites on 100's of TV channels etc... This is all new.

Now for me I've always been a very slight shade to the right. The News Every Second Media, is no longer in the middle. The middle is boring the middle has no shock, the middle gets less advertising dollars. The middle just doesnt sell. They all know this. Now you can argue that the media was never in the middle. That's a pretty solid argument. BUT its now delivered to the EXTREMES on both sides (shock sells). And its delivered every second of every minute of every day to the extremes(left or right). And it always tells the story to the side that the Media Prez wants it to be told. Add to it as I said above most of our country only wants to listen to one side of the story.

Sunday night I'm driving out of my neighborhood and my neighbor is cutting his lawn. His son was an excellent baseball player, played JC baceball and then played at Louisiana Tech. I coached his son for 4 years in HS. He & his wife both retired from teaching at the JC in our town that their son played at after HS. Both very liberal in a town that loves President Trump. Anyway, he signaled for me to roll my window down. He shut his mower off and he asked me if I thought MLB was going to get to play this year. I responded that I didnt know but I then said and this is fact " Do you know how damn crazy our world has become? If they do play with the new rules MLB has put in an MLB pitcher could pitch a complete game extra inning PERFECT GAME and get beat". He was unaware of the new rule change and I explained to him that in extra innings they will now put a man on second base to start the inning..... He laughed and said ' yea and if they started today our dumb ass governor would allow the stadiums to be 50% full in Dallas & Houston". He then stated "he and our joke of a President dont even understand that COVID 19 doesnt care if you are Republican or Democrat". I agreed with his statement on this heartless virus and told him so. I then made the huge mistake of saying "that the virus also does not care what the cause is no matter how righteous the protestors, rioters, and looters think they are.

He immediately turned away from my truck, walked away, and cranked the mower to finish mowing his lawn. I've been friends with this guy for 13 years. That's where we are at today, MAINLY because of the media.

Thank you Dennis for writing & performing a GREAT song that TRULY hits the nail squarely on the head.

[Monker]

This "chart" is bullshit. My God, it has a three year old song by Chickenfoot on it. It means nothing. If you click the right arrow to show the next picture, he's bragging about being on Amazon's best sellers, which again means nothing. This stuff you are throwing out there is meaningless crap.

He claimed to be on a BILLBOARD chart. Where is THAT info.

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Hopefully this link will show up with the chart information. For some reason I can't post the attachment.


https://www.facebook.com/DennisDeYoungO ... 33/?type=3

[yogi]

So is Billboard now. None of them are close to accurate. The bottom half is almost totally made up.