Is there a future for Journey Through Time?

[danielb]

This recording of "Of a Lifetime" suggests there is. Neal plays as if it was still the 70s, Derlatka sings with soul and time pretty much stands still. The first wow moment of the concert, 9 songs in.

Although Arnel should definitely get an A for effort, he is sounding more rough than soothing on this current tour and he deserves a break. So do large chunks of the Journey catalogue. There's only so many times you can take the dirty dozen. The stoic crowd on the floor in Austin an indication of this?

The current band shines the most when they do songs like "Of a Lifetime", "Feeling that way" and other lesser played cuts.

Neal is clearly right in that there is life after Journey and probably with the current band minus Cain and Pineda. I am just wondering in which types of venues and under what name? Journey Through Time in theaters?

"Of a Lifetime" from Austin below. Derlatka clearly pleased with Neal's playing at the end:

https://youtu.be/HaSKDWtFH0k?list=RDHaSKDWtFH0k&t=2233

[The_Noble_Cause]

He was promoting the name "Journey Beyond" again as recently as March 25th.

I think Rolie's involvement was part of the appeal of JTT.

I think Neal can rebuild if he chooses.

I think it's also possible Jon gives him the name "Journey" but demands he gets paid as if he is on stage every night - just like Perry does.

[youkeepmewaiting]

The major issue is that Journey Through Time / Journey Beyond will not make enough money touring to fund Neal’s lifestyle

And if Jon lets Schon use the Journey name to tour then I can only imagine what type of shit show that will turn into. The setlist that Neal will want to play will completely kill that type of crowd

[danielb]

The major issue is that Journey Through Time / Journey Beyond will not make enough money touring to fund Neal’s lifestyle

How much does he need a month to sustain that lifestyle you're referring to?

Unless you're his accountant, that's all speculation.

[jrnyman28]

The major issue is that Journey Through Time / Journey Beyond will not make enough money touring to fund Neal’s lifestyle

And if Jon lets Schon use the Journey name to tour then I can only imagine what type of shit show that will turn into. The setlist that Neal will want to play will completely kill that type of crowd

People are always referencing Neal’s lifestyle, and I am sure he loves the rockstar life and money. But I can see him still playing in his old age in front of 200 people if that’s what it comes to. He loves playing.

And I am sure has plenty of investments working for him.

[Journey/Survivor]

Yeah, I don't think that Neal will have any difficulty getting by with the money that he makes with Journey Through Time/Journey Beyond, or whatever the band will be called? Maybe they won't sell 20,000 tickets per concert? But they should be able to sell 5,000 tickets per concert with no problem. Unless Neal does something stupid like hire a singer who does not fit Journey's style.

[Monker]

Yeah, I don't think that Neal will have any difficulty getting by with the money that he makes with Journey Through Time/Journey Beyond, or whatever the band will be called? Maybe they won't sell 20,000 tickets per concert? But they should be able to sell 5,000 tickets per concert with no problem. Unless Neal does something stupid like hire a singer who does not fit Journey's style.

If Jonathan and Arnel both leave, which it sounds like they will, "Journey Beyond" will be lucky to sell 1000 tickets, IMO. They will be performing free concerts at BBQ festivals and county fairs. IMO, they will be a Vegas internship at best.

Journey Beyond or JTT or any of these Journey adjacent bands feed off of Journey's success. Without Journey out their touring these bands will quickly mean nothing.

Neal will definitely have issues with the money brought in. Will he go back to living on a bus for a tour, instead of flying? Will he be happy playing free concerts while people walk around eating corn dogs? This is going to get old very quickly for him. Despite what he currently believes, he alone is NOT Journey. It's going to be a rude awakening for him.

[kmjrr]

Maybe Neal should apply to be the guitarist for Jason Kelty's Escape band.

[Monker]

Maybe Neal should apply to be the guitarist for Jason Kelty's Escape band.

Or, maybe put Journey to rest and reach out to Sammy Hagar to see if they can finally get a tour or other project together.

I feel Neal has taken Journey to the extreme to the point where it is only him. Give it rest already and do something else.

[jrnyman28]

He should do NSB and find a versatile singer who can sound good on Santana, early Journey ( Deen will likely be there to handle later Journey), Bad English, Hardline, Schon-Hammer, Piranha Blues, HSAS, whatever. Celebrate his career.

[youkeepmewaiting]

The major issue is that Journey Through Time / Journey Beyond will not make enough money touring to fund Neal’s lifestyle

How much does he need a month to sustain that lifestyle you're referring to?

Unless you're his accountant, that's all speculation.

I mean, of course it’s speculation but look at his Instagram? Look at his wife? Look at his ex wives? Look at the court documents where it specifically mentions about Schon not listening to his accountants or financial advisors, in fact I think it even mentions him firing his accountants because he doesn’t like their answers.

[youkeepmewaiting]

Yeah, I don't think that Neal will have any difficulty getting by with the money that he makes with Journey Through Time/Journey Beyond, or whatever the band will be called? Maybe they won't sell 20,000 tickets per concert? But they should be able to sell 5,000 tickets per concert with no problem. Unless Neal does something stupid like hire a singer who does not fit Journey's style.

He would need to downsize big time

And JTT is not selling 5000 tickets per show for a full tour

[youkeepmewaiting]

Yeah, I don't think that Neal will have any difficulty getting by with the money that he makes with Journey Through Time/Journey Beyond, or whatever the band will be called? Maybe they won't sell 20,000 tickets per concert? But they should be able to sell 5,000 tickets per concert with no problem. Unless Neal does something stupid like hire a singer who does not fit Journey's style.

If Jonathan and Arnel both leave, which it sounds like they will, "Journey Beyond" will be lucky to sell 1000 tickets, IMO. They will be performing free concerts at BBQ festivals and county fairs. IMO, they will be a Vegas internship at best.

Journey Beyond or JTT or any of these Journey adjacent bands feed off of Journey's success. Without Journey out their touring these bands will quickly mean nothing.

Neal will definitely have issues with the money brought in. Will he go back to living on a bus for a tour, instead of flying? Will he be happy playing free concerts while people walk around eating corn dogs? This is going to get old very quickly for him. Despite what he currently believes, he alone is NOT Journey. It's going to be a rude awakening for him.

100%


Btw - I’d love JTT to be a success for him because I love the concept

[Journey/Survivor]

I still say that as long as Neal can have the word Journey in the title, and that he has the legal right to say things like "Neal Schon of Journey" or "Former Journey members" or "Performing Journey's hits." And if he also has a great singer who fits the band. They will have zero problem selling 5,000 tickets per show. Neal is a bigger part of the concert appeal than Cain is in general. And I'd say that over the last 5 years or so, he's a bigger concert draw than Pineda is. Unless of course we are talking about the Philippines? It has been said many, many times for many years that If there's no Neal Schon, there's no Journey. Even "Journey" by name without Neal Schon is not true Journey. They were and are, still Journey, without Steve Perry.

[Onestepper]

I still say that as long as Neal can have the word Journey in the title, and that he has the legal right to say things like "Neal Schon of Journey" or "Former Journey members" or "Performing Journey's hits." And if he also has a great singer who fits the band. They will have zero problem selling 5,000 tickets per show. Neal is a bigger part of the concert appeal than Cain is in general. And I'd say that over the last 5 years or so, he's a bigger concert draw than Pineda is. Unless of course we are talking about the Philippines? It has been said many, many times for many years that If there's no Neal Schon, there's no Journey. Even "Journey" by name without Neal Schon is not true Journey. They were and are, still Journey, without Steve Perry.

Yeah, I don't know that I buy that. I have a lot of friends that love Journey, but are more casual fans of the band. Not a single one of them have ever mentioned Schon. They always ask the same thing "Is that kid from the Philippines that sounds like Steve Perry still in the band? He's great".

I do agree though that he'll keep touring until he just can't. No matter what he has to call it.

[youkeepmewaiting]

I still say that as long as Neal can have the word Journey in the title, and that he has the legal right to say things like "Neal Schon of Journey" or "Former Journey members" or "Performing Journey's hits." And if he also has a great singer who fits the band. They will have zero problem selling 5,000 tickets per show. Neal is a bigger part of the concert appeal than Cain is in general. And I'd say that over the last 5 years or so, he's a bigger concert draw than Pineda is. Unless of course we are talking about the Philippines? It has been said many, many times for many years that If there's no Neal Schon, there's no Journey. Even "Journey" by name without Neal Schon is not true Journey. They were and are, still Journey, without Steve Perry.

I’m sorry but you’re deluded if you think that

[Journey/Survivor]

I still say that as long as Neal can have the word Journey in the title, and that he has the legal right to say things like "Neal Schon of Journey" or "Former Journey members" or "Performing Journey's hits." And if he also has a great singer who fits the band. They will have zero problem selling 5,000 tickets per show. Neal is a bigger part of the concert appeal than Cain is in general. And I'd say that over the last 5 years or so, he's a bigger concert draw than Pineda is. Unless of course we are talking about the Philippines? It has been said many, many times for many years that If there's no Neal Schon, there's no Journey. Even "Journey" by name without Neal Schon is not true Journey. They were and are, still Journey, without Steve Perry.

I’m sorry but you’re deluded if you think that

No, not at all!

[Journey/Survivor]

In fact. I think that it's laughable how much the hate is for Schon that it's clouding the view point of several people on here. Other than the Pineda story back at the time of Revelation, Schon has been the biggest draw for Journey (Aside from the songs themselves) since Perry left the band. Unless Schon is the moron that many of you think that he is, Schon's Journey-whatever will have zero problems selling 5,000 tickets per show.

[The_Noble_Cause]

In fact. I think that it's laughable how much the hate is for Schon that it's clouding the view point of several people on here. Other than the Pineda story back at the time of Revelation, Schon has been the biggest draw for Journey (Aside from the songs themselves) since Perry left the band. Unless Schon is the moron that many of you think that he is, Schon's Journey-whatever will have zero problems selling 5,000 tickets per show.

There are Journey cover bands that fill 2000-3000 seat venues near me.
I think Neal will be ok.
Maybe Sammy or TOTO can let his new Journey spinoff open on some dates to get some publicity.

[Monker]

In fact. I think that it's laughable how much the hate is for Schon that it's clouding the view point of several people on here. Other than the Pineda story back at the time of Revelation, Schon has been the biggest draw for Journey (Aside from the songs themselves) since Perry left the band. Unless Schon is the moron that many of you think that he is, Schon's Journey-whatever will have zero problems selling 5,000 tickets per show.

There are Journey cover bands that fill 2000-3000 seat venues near me.
I think Neal will be ok.
Maybe Sammy or TOTO can let his new Journey spinoff open on some dates to get some publicity.

But, your local cover band is not a national tour. I saw Escape in a casino with maybe 750 people. But, I am not in Ohio where they are more known and popular. Voyage is probably the only tribute I can think of that would be comparable. Even Chalfant's "Journey Experience" hasn't really toured in years.

Opening for Sammy or any other band may work out...but can Neal accept being an opening band for the end of his career?

[Monker]

In fact. I think that it's laughable how much the hate is for Schon that it's clouding the view point of several people on here. Other than the Pineda story back at the time of Revelation, Schon has been the biggest draw for Journey (Aside from the songs themselves) since Perry left the band. Unless Schon is the moron that many of you think that he is, Schon's Journey-whatever will have zero problems selling 5,000 tickets per show.

Neal Schon has not been the biggest draw for Journey. The nostalgia and music has been the biggest draw by far and should never be labeled as an aside. Take those songs away and giving the 80's nostalgia and Journey for the past 20yrs can't exist.

With the hiring and touring with Arnel, Neal proved Perry fans correct...that Journey can't escape Steve Perry's influence. Journey never grew beyond the nostalgia for Perry's era of the band. In fact, they leaned into it for the $'s. Because of this, Neal will always be in Perry's shadow...and Neal will never be the main draw for Journey.

[kmjrr]

Speaking of Escape, as we speak they're on their way to Taiwan and then Japan.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BcQEdH62J/

[The_Noble_Cause]

With the hiring and touring with Arnel, Neal proved Perry fans correct...that Journey can't escape Steve Perry's influence. Journey never grew beyond the nostalgia for Perry's era of the band. In fact, they leaned into it for the $'s. Because of this, Neal will always be in Perry's shadow...and Neal will never be the main draw for Journey.

Profoundly and sadly true.

[youkeepmewaiting]

And, one of the points that was missed earlier


let's say Schon CAN tour 5000 sell out theatres... he still won't be able to do that playing that setlist that he (and I) would actually like to hear. A JTT type thing would purely need to be a passion project rather than a money making machine