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by **sadie65** » Thu May 13, 2004 6:34 am

Well if the promotion is true, then yes, it is a great promotion. I howver would hope that there would be something to let people know that this cd contains a different version of CSA than what they are used to.

Nothing at all against Gowan, but I truly do not care for his renditions of DDY songs. I think his own material is just fine. So if I got this with no warning, I'd be very unhappy.

Sadie

by **classicstyxfan** » Thu May 13, 2004 6:44 am

LOL Bugsy ! I wonder if the EPA knows about this ?

I'd take the Backstage Passes , airfare, etc, for myself, and promptly put the CD up for sale on E-Bay. ( after getting it autographed by Larry and the boys that is. )

Some Gowan fan would probably pay alot of money for it .......

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Thu May 13, 2004 6:47 am

Yes, I have to agree this is a great promotion. Watch, I'll buy a copy and I'll receive the Gowan version - LOL :wink:

by **ek88** » Thu May 13, 2004 10:55 am

Well if the promotion is true, then yes, it is a great promotion. I howver would hope that there would be something to let people know that this cd contains a different version of CSA than what they are used to.

I doubt that there would be anything on the outside packaging that would give this away, otherwise interested parties could just shop around until they found one.

So if I got this with no warning, I'd be very unhappy.

Why be unhappy, especially if the DeYoung track is included as well? Just skip the Gowan track and maybe even go check out the show. If you end up not liking the show, look at it this way: it didn't cost you anything!

by **GaryS** » Thu May 13, 2004 4:52 pm

It is like a WONKA ticket.
Hey... FYI there is a HUGE full page ad for the anthology in the new (Prince cover) Rolling Stone.
Suite... did you get the info about the JRNY vid...? I left it in a prev. post.

by **yogi** » Thu May 13, 2004 10:41 pm

I love the 'Festivious' episode of Seinfield. I also love how George always wanted to be Art Van Delay the architect. I love where I am now in my life, but some years ago my brother and I designated May 12 as 'Flashback'. Its a day where you can go back in time, back to 'The Day' so to speak.

I always thought I might be good at doing promotions. It's even something if I really liked the product I thought I would enjoy doing. Well, my life has gone in a little bit of a different direction than I thought it would back in'The Day'. It's great, but just somewhat different than what I had planned.

Once May rolled around I was really looking forward to 'Flashback'. Maybe I am getting too damn old. I guess yesterday I could only flash back to April 1.

Still, the worst that could of happened out of 'Flashback' is that maybe I helped my favorite rock band of all time sell a few more of their newest release !!! My neighbors freaked as I did my headlong in the middle of our street wearing nothing but boxers and a bandana. That might be a 'Flashback' event we need to change for next year. Is anyone out there a Marine Biologist?????????

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Thu May 13, 2004 11:08 pm

Gary, yes, I did see your post - thank you. I had no idea that it was filmed down there. I always thought the "Separate Ways" video was shot some where in California. I also didn't know where the Saenger Theater was located.

I would love to visit New Orleans. Hopefully next summer

"Willy Wonka" is one of my all time favorite movies. I can't wait for the remake to come out with Johnny Depp!! I want the Golden Ticket!!

I love that Seinfeld episode - TOO FUNNY

by **kansas666** » Fri May 14, 2004 11:29 pm

Nothing new here except my 2 cents. I love the new lineup. I think it is great that they are playing smaller venues and county fairs. I was able to see the "Dennis" version of Styx exactly twice in 25 years. I have seen Styx without Dennis 10 times since 1999.

I don't think they HAVE to tour. I think they WANT to tour. They are out there making $50,000-100,000/show. Perhaps they are not making as much as they were with Dennis. But is sure seems like they are enjoying it a whole lot more.

IMO, Cyclorama is the best album since Grand Illusion, and I am really looking forward to more new material.

I saw Dennis' show on PBS and I was immediately struck by 2 things;

The guy is talented, has a great voice and has written some truely wonderful songs.

Everything I ever hated about Styx is embodied in Dennis DeYoung. He has no class, is the ultimate square and has the biggest ego of anyone I know.

by **ek88** » Sat May 15, 2004 12:48 am

I don't think they HAVE to tour. I think they WANT to tour. They are out there making $50,000-100,000/show. Perhaps they are not making as much as they were with Dennis. But is sure seems like they are enjoying it a whole lot more.

IMO, Cyclorama is the best album since Grand Illusion, and I am really looking forward to more new material.

I would have to say that I agree, except I would've said since Pieces Of Eight.

by **piecesofeight** » Sat May 15, 2004 1:08 am

kansas666 wrote:Everything I ever hated about Styx is embodied in Dennis DeYoung. He has no class, is the ultimate square and has the biggest ego of anyone I know.

Just how well do you know him. I have talked with him many times in great length and he is one of the nicest people I have ever met.
Dont' confuse having a tough shell and A LOT of confidence with having a big ego.
Don't forget too that where he grew up is what gives him his chops and personality.
Explain why you think he is an ultimate square?

NO CLASS! Are you kidding me? Where is this coming from? What are you basing this on. This has got to be one of the craziest things I have heard said about him. PLEASE explain this one. Is this on somethig personal since you know him?

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat May 15, 2004 1:27 am

Kansas 666, I agree with P.O.E. If you are going to make such statements about Dennis, some specific examples to back up your statements are definately in order, particularly the "No Class" comment........

I will not contest your "Ultimate Square" opinion, he does look a little square when he does his air guitar thing during solo's, but many think it's neat he's willing to goof off a little, and have some fun instead of just standing there.......)

I suspect you have never met the man, and have been swayed by what you read from JY in the press. IF you can back up your statements then please do so. If not, the 1st impression you've made at this forum will be one of low credibility.

by **kansas666** » Sat May 15, 2004 2:49 am

This place is a hoot!

by **Monker** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:58 am

classicstyxfan wrote:IF you can back up your statements then please do so. If not, the 1st impression you've made at this forum will be one of low credibility.

Suing the band shows no class (not even Steve Perry did that). His 'uncle Jerry' thing shows no class. His constant 'I wrote this song...' and "you have to come here to see it...' show no class.

If he would just do his thing without all the "I'm better then Styx" antics, then THAT would show class.

by **sadie65** » Sat May 15, 2004 4:18 am

Wow. I personally think it shows no class for the band to kick out one of it's founding members.

As for the "I'm better than Styx" mentality, I have never once gotten the impression that's what he feels or means. Why shouldn't he take credit for the songs he wrote or co-wrote? Why shouldn't he market himself? And why on Earth am I asking you? It's quite obvious that even though some of us try to extend to middle ground here, there will always be those who bait and badger.

It's funny how people always bring up Steve Perry/Journey in relation to Dennis DeYoung/Styx. I am amazed that people don't recognize the difference in the situations.

For whatever it's worth, I really don't have a problem with anyone's preferences as to which lineup they like. I have problems when people paraphrase. I also have problems when people are asked to back up their statements with some hard facts and all they can come up with is their opinion. Everyone is entitled to have opinions, just don't state them as fact.

Peace and have a great weekend

Sadie

by **Ash** » Sat May 15, 2004 4:23 am

eh.... it ain't worth my time to feed the trolls anymore. So I'll be avoiding this thread.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat May 15, 2004 6:14 am

Monker, I think your examples are very weak.......

Regarding Suing the band, I think anyone who was a partner in a business for 30 years and who worked 30 long and hard to build up the name and reputation of the business, and then was shown the door while the other partners went of and made money largely off of that name and reputation, would do the same thing....admit it, if you were DDY, you wouldnt have smiled and waved, and you know it.

By your definition the classy thing for Dennis to do would have been to reach down, grab his ankles and say "thank you may I have another ?" "Please.... rob me blind. Here you missed the money in this hidden pocket over here..." I never though of class and stupidity as synonomous until I read your post.......

As far as his stage banter, He may be proping his contributions to Styx up more than you like, but he's not tearing down his former bandmates. compare that to Tommy, who once mocked one of Dennis's songs on stage every night of a Damn Yankees tour, or JY, who is constantly minimizing DDY's contributions to the band ( i.e. this incarnation of the band is the best ever......Yeah sure it is JY....) So if the examples you cite are the best examples you can come up with, you must have a very low opinion of the level of class of some other members of Styx.

Dennis is High Class in comparison and I've just presented evidence that backs that statement up.

by **piecesofeight** » Sat May 15, 2004 6:48 am

I should have realized that the reason that would be given for Dennis not being a class act guy is the fact that he sued his band.
Once again, we do not know the full details of ANYTHING. Since many want to belive what JY has to say, let's make it even and believe what Dennis has to say too.
In that light, he really had not chose but to sue and under the same situation, most of us would to. Let's just remember that none of US know the full details. Maybe if we did, it wouldn't be thought what it does about him sueing them.
No way he would have done that without good reasons.
If he wasn't class act he too would take every oportunity to slam them.

by **Monker** » Sat May 15, 2004 6:59 am

Regarding Suing the band, I think anyone who was a partner in a business for 30 years and who worked 30 long and hard to build up the name and reputation of the business, and then was shown the door while the other partners went of and made money largely off of that name and reputation, would do the same thing....admit it, if you were DDY, you wouldnt have smiled and waved, and you know it.

It seems to me that is a skewed version of what happened. It seems to me that Dennis did not express much against the tour when it first started. He even joined them onstage for one show. But, then he changes and sues in the middle of the tour...and then settles out of court. Who was quoting "jealousy"?

By your definition the classy thing for Dennis to do would have been to reach down, grab his ankles and say "thank you may I have another ?"

No, it would have been to get 'well' and then force the band's hands after the BNW tour to rejoin the band. It would be to have enough common sense to know that the band should tour for BNW, with or without me...and that it would be a LOT smarter to work with the band on a way to keep things going after the tour...Instead of sitting in the dark, stewing, and then sueing the band over it - ensuring that I could NEVER return. As Perry would say, he cracked the stone.

As far as his stage banter, He may be proping his contributions to Styx up more than you like

No, he goes further then that...he hands a glass of bathwater to his fans and encourages them to do the "YOUR STYX!" thing - at every show. That shows class? Sorry, don't think so.

but he's not tearing down his former bandmates.

Sure it is.

compare that to Tommy, who once mocked one of Dennis's songs on stage every night of a Damn Yankees tour

It was pretty funny too.

When Tommy found out how offended Dennis was, he appologized and promised to never do it again...and he didn't. That shows class. I remember reading that note from Tommy on the old paradisetheatre.com site...Nice note.

Is Dennis going to appologize for HIS antics? Nope.

or JY, who is constantly minimizing DDY's contributions to the band ( i.e. this incarnation of the band is the best ever......Yeah sure it is JY....)

How is propping up the current band minimizing DDY's contributions? You are making NO SENSE with that comment. What is happening is that you are viewing JY's words and allowing your own opinion to define what he meant, instead of taking it as it is. JY has every right to believe this is the "best Styx lineup ever." You may not agree with that statement, but that does not mean JY said it in an attempt to minimize Dennis' contributions...I would think he said it to sell tickets and albums, and it had nothing to do with negating Dennis.

So if the examples you cite are the best examples you can come up with, you must have a very low opinion of the level of class of some other members of Styx.

Even if that were true...it does not mean that evidence can not be shown that Dennis has 'no class'. Evidence was asked for, I gave it. Even if Tommy and JY are demons sent from Hell, it does not invalidate anything I said about Dennis.

Dennis is High Class in comparison and I've just presented evidence that backs that statement up.

I don't think you did. I think all you did was to attempt to elevate Dennis by emphsizing what you view as Tommy and JY's negatives. Sorry, but believing Tommy and JY are 'bad' does not make Dennis 'good'.

As for the troll talk (in other posts). You can believe I'm a troll if you want to. It doesn't bother me...I've been labeled worse. I have been around long enough to not have any expectations when I make a post. Reply, don't reply...call me a troll. Doesn't bother me. At least I'm not the goat. trit trit trot.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat May 15, 2004 9:14 am

compare that to Tommy, who once mocked one of Dennis's songs on stage every night of a Damn Yankees tour

To which Monker says:

"It was pretty funny too."

I guess we can see where you stand on class Monker.......If all it takes to be classy is to refrain from being classless after you've been called on it, that's a pretty low threshold you hold your heroes up to, isn't it ?

And I love your double standard about who is amd isn't classless when they prop themselves , or their current lineup up. When JY does it, it's OK, but it's one of your examples of Dennis having no class........I take it you weren't on the debate team growing up were you ?

by **Monker** » Sat May 15, 2004 10:57 am

classicstyxfan wrote:compare that to Tommy, who once mocked one of Dennis's songs on stage every night of a Damn Yankees tour

To which Monker says:

"It was pretty funny too."

I guess we can see where you stand on class Monker.......If all it takes to be classy is to refrain from being classless after you've been called on it, that's a pretty low threshold you hold your heroes up to, isn't it ?

First of all, you're WRONG. Tommy appologized...that is more then just refraining.

Secondly, I never said Tommy was "my hero".

Third, it WAS funny. It wasn't a personal shot at Dennis. Anybody who saw it in person should know that.

Dennis enticing a bathwater drinker to shout "YOUR STYX" *IS* a personal shot at the band.

And I love your double standard about who is amd isn't classless when they prop themselves , or their current lineup up. When JY does it, it's OK, but it's one of your examples of Dennis having no class........I take it you weren't on the debate team growing up were you ?

The entire situation of Dennis doing the Uncle Jerry thing is a bit more like Tommy's 'Babe' thing then it is JY doing an interview to promote.

And, again...the question about Dennis and examples of the 'class' of Dennis...not how they stack up to Styx. That is simply a misdirection on your part. It's no different then your 'debate team' comment...anything to draw attention away from anything negative about Dennis, huh? Hard to face isn't it...that he's not exactly acting as shiny perfect as you want anybody reading this forum to believe.

Shall I continue? The most insulting, classless, thing said during the entire fiasco was the comment that Styx fans who like to interact with Tommy on the internet would drink his bathwater. Attacking the fans themselves was about as low as he could go, and it gave 'fans' on his 'side' who drink HIS bathwater a quote to use for years to come.

by **classicstyxfan** » Sat May 15, 2004 12:43 pm

Actually Monker, I think Dennis shares the blame for everything that has happened with the others..... I just dont resort to calling anyone classless.....My jabs are mostly pretty innocent ones like calling the upcoming release "Re-Cyclorama"

Neither Dennis nor Tommy nor JY's behavior over the years is above scrutiny or reproach. There is plenty of blame to go around for today's state of affairs with the band and it's former "leader", it seems to me that many here want to place blame squarely on one side or the other.

Oh, and I apologize for my debate team comment....I try not to make any comments personal in nature, but I crossed the line there.

by **ek88** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:48 pm

I saw the Babe thing at a DY show back in 91. I confess I was amused. I took it more as a shot on slow songs than anything. The band also made fun of Crystal Ball at the same show. Actually, I didn't even realize Babe was written about Dennis' wife at the time. Had I known, perhaps I wouldn't have found it as funny. Hard to say. And Tommy never did make fun of it again after talking to Dennis. That's no small feat considering Ted Nugent was in the band. On a related note, I recall hearing that Ted shot an arrow into a cutout of Saddam wearing a Styx shirt at the very next show after Tommy spoke with Dennis.
As far as JY, I'm sure he's just expressing his feelings, but I could probably do without hearing it. I'd rather just hear about the present, but hey, it's a free country.

by **ek88** » Sat May 15, 2004 3:50 pm

One more thing. I used to have an old Damn Yankees interview on tape. During the interview, both Ted and Jack took a few shots at Styx when the topic came up, while Tommy was very respectful in his comments about his former band (at the time).

by **GaryS** » Sat May 15, 2004 4:02 pm

Wow... a song and a movie BOTH called Babe and BOTH about a pig!
What a coincidence!!!
Now that is classless...
Recyclorama or C-Styx is NOT classless.
There is a line and I think we should maybe define THE line so all can enjoy this board. I don't want to offend anyone.
BTW... I am not calling Dennis' wife a pig. I just couldn't think of a REAL example to make my point so I made one up. Have a nice day ya'll.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Tue May 18, 2004 9:22 am

1. Styx vs. Dennis is getting pretty old. It's been almost 5 years now.

2. Don't anyone compare the Styx situation to any break up of any band. Each band situation is completely different from each other.

3. Why would Steve Perry sue Journey? He wasn't an original member of Journey. Did Steve Perry produce any of the Journey albums? The Styx and Journey situations are very different from each other.

4. Monker, how many times did you see Dennis in concert? It sounds like you've been to quite a knowing what he says at each concert.

5. Why wouldn't Dennis sue the band? Monker, do you personally know what happened in 1999 & 2000? Were you there when they were talking about the tour? I don't think so. None of us were there. Do you actually know when Larry was contacted to tour with Styx? Do you know that there were a couple other singers contacted before Larry for auditions?

Kansas666, are you going to see the new version of Styx in Wisconsin this summer? They'll be playing 5 times close to you. I take it you live outside of Madison. I think you'd have different feelings for Dennis if you had a chance to meet him. Just my opinion. As for the "ultimate square"? What's up with that? I see that you're in a band. I'm going to have to check you guys out and see if you're "square" or not. Since you're a big Kansas fan, are you planning to see them in Waukesha this summer?

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Tue May 18, 2004 9:27 am

And another thing. Yes, JY has been quoted since last year that "this is the BEST line up ever". Um, he said that when Glen was in the band and now he's saying it with Ricky in the band. He says it with Chuck and he says it without Chuck. So which line-up is "the BEST line up ever"???? Does it depend on the week? Late next year when Todd's gone, and they'll have a new drummer will that be the "best line up ever"? Yikes :shock:

by **bugsymalone** » Tue May 18, 2004 10:11 am

And another thing. Yes, JY has been quoted since last year that "this is the BEST line up ever". Um, he said that when Glen was in the band and now he's saying it with Ricky in the band. He says it with Chuck and he says it without Chuck. So which line-up is "the BEST line up ever"???? Does it depend on the week? Late next year when Todd's gone, and they'll have a new drummer will that be the "best line up ever"? Yikes

OH so well said, Suite!!!! JY, caught in his own mouth trap.

Bugsy

by **GaryS** » Tue May 18, 2004 5:26 pm

Is Todd leaving?

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Tue May 18, 2004 9:14 pm

I'm sorry Gary, I should've stated that I have a feeling that Todd will be leaving late next year. It's just my opinion and I don't have proof in writing that he'll be leaving.

Just like Glen, Todd has been working on other projects. He just recently got married and I would think they would start having a family soon. Just what I heard and think. I personally don't think the current "in charge" people of Styx will allow Todd to take time off. After this current tour, they'll be back in the studio working on a new album and then back on the road to support it. Lucky for him the "Cyclomedley" is working out during the shows.

Again, just my opinions (and babbling).

by **Ash** » Tue May 18, 2004 9:21 pm

IMO - Michael Cartallone is a FAR better drummer than Todd. Todd is very good, but Michael's work on those two Damn Yankees records and live is just amazing.

Plus, as far as I know, he still lives just a few miles down the highway from me... so you gotta go with the local boy!

MR

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