New Walrus News - Styx

by **kansas666** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:39 am

froy wrote:Really GI Paradise Theater Cornerstone Pieces of 8 all copycatts ?
strike 3 your gone

"copycatts", "your" ?

hmmm :roll:

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:08 am

The band was formed by Chuck and John Panozzo and another keyboard/accordian player. Dennis forced his way in.

If Dennis came back, Chuck would still not be able to play due to health reasons, and there would only be 12 shows a year.

If Babe was the beginning of the end, as Tommy and JY have both stated, then the Volkswagon commercial may have been a part of it but in no way could be said to be the only reason.

Lies and Not Dead Yet were done well before Walrus. Tommy was not there for either. And your comparison doesn't hold because your comparing a song vs an album.

strike 1, strike 2, strike 3, and one more for good measure.

by **froy** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:09 am

kansas666 wrote:
froy wrote:Really GI Paradise Theater Cornerstone Pieces of 8 all copycatts ?
strike 3 your gone

"copycatts", "your" ?

hmmm

Kansas Im not here to worry about punctuation
Move on

by **froy** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:18 am

styxfanNH wrote:The band was formed by Chuck and John Panozzo and another keyboard/accordian player. Dennis forced his way in.

Thank god he did. And that was not Styx it was TW4

If Dennis came back, Chuck would still not be able to play due to health reasons, and there would only be 12 shows a year.

Chuck is doing better day after day
You just don't know if he could do a 50 date summer tour.

If Babe was the beginning of the end, as Tommy and JY have both stated,

How can the bands only number 1 song be the begining of the end
JY and Shaw are jealous that they cannot write a number 1 hit.

then the Volkswagon commercial may have been a part of it but in no way could be said to be the only reason.

Im sure your right it was not the only reason
Im sure Dennis had issues with Shaw when he was coked up
But he insisted Shaw be in during the 91 period .
Now everything is pointed towards Dennis which is ridiculous.

Lies and Not Dead Yet were done well before Walrus.

And they both sucked .

Tommy was not there for either. And your comparison doesn't hold because your comparing a song vs an album.

And your comparision holds no water either because you can't compare any remake to a Beatle remake. Lies is crap NoT Dead Yet is terrible.
I hated the fact that they did this as a encore in 91.
Ask anyone if they even knew that Lies and Dead Yet are covers then ask about IATW and see what ya get ,

by **styxfanNH** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:22 pm

Froy,
One of my friends is good friends with Chuck and says that he can not do that many dates. So I do know.

JY and Tommy hated that song before it was number one and before it was on the album. The fact that it went to number one was of little importance at the time, it was the type of music that was being included on the album.

Personally, I like Babe, but it wasn't the style of music that at least two of the members wanted to play.

by **froy** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:09 pm

styxfanNH wrote:Froy,
One of my friends is good friends with Chuck and says that he can not do that many dates. So I do know.

JY and Tommy hated that song before it was number one and before it was on the album. The fact that it went to number one was of little importance at the time, it was the type of music that was being included on the album.

Personally, I like Babe, but it wasn't the style of music that at least two of the members wanted to play.

Ok I will go with the Chuck senerio you sound straight up on this one
As far as Babe its a ballad that 's Dennis's job in Styx
First Time we all agree was wimp city
But to say they dumped Dennis because of Babe shows how childish the 2 guys are,

by **Monker** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:55 pm

froy wrote:But to say they dumped Dennis because of Babe shows how childish the 2 guys are,

No, to say that is to take things out of context, add your own meaning, and validate things in your own mind.

It was said that it was "the beginning of the end," not "THE END".

Why is that so hard to understand? Dennis started taking Styx in a direction that they did not want to go. When it became a huge hit, it became a direction they HAD to go to keep themselves up to the standards of their past success. So, you end up with a "Don't Let It End" and a "Show Me the Way" on every album.

Then to say that Dennis' job in Styx was to write ballads is just slly! That makes it sound like YOU think that is the only type of song that Dennis has written that is any good.

Styx dumped Dennis because Styx wanted to tour and Dennis wouldn't and/or couldn't. They replaced him and toured anyway...so he sued them. After suing the band, why would ANYBODY ever expect Styx to bring him back?

It's more likely Perry will join Journey then Styx will bring back Dennis. At least Perry didn't sue Journey.

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:47 am

Monker wrote:

Why is that so hard to understand? Dennis started taking Styx in a direction that they did not want to go. When it became a huge hit, it became a direction they HAD to go to keep themselves up to the standards of their past success. So, you end up with a "Don't Let It End" and a "Show Me the Way" on every album. .

Well, it could be worse, They could have a Girls With Guns(song),a Lonely School, a Kiss Me Hello, a Outside In The Rain, a Little Girl World, or a Count On You on every Album, the very ROCK music that Tommy left the Band for that he was so full of and there was no outlet for it in Styx...

And JY's City Slicker and Raised By Wolves...Kind of funny how both Tommy and JY can base their solo music on the very same direction that they opposed of in Styx...

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:24 am

[quote="styxfanNH"]The band was formed by Chuck and John Panozzo and another keyboard/accordian player. Dennis forced his way in./quote]

Dennis didn't force his way into the band..He tried out for the Panozzos..

"When Dennis came over and played his accordian," remembered Chuck Panozzo,"I looked at my brother, and John and I agreed this is a guy we could play music with. And we ping-ponged back and forth, sometimes my place, sometimes his place, sometimes outside. And we did this all summer long, instead of going out and playing softball in the street. I'm sure our neighbors were very happy that their houses weren't being pelted with softballs.."
The group, along with guitarist Tom Nardini, became the Trade Winds, and played dances, parties, weddings, and get-togethers throughout the South Side..

That was from Styx:Set An Open Course For The Virgin Sea by Chuck Miller...

DeeJay...

by **froy** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:06 am

DeeJaySTYX wrote:
Monker wrote:

Why is that so hard to understand? Dennis started taking Styx in a direction that they did not want to go. When it became a huge hit, it became a direction they HAD to go to keep themselves up to the standards of their past success. So, you end up with a "Don't Let It End" and a "Show Me the Way" on every album. .

Well, it could be worse, They could have a Girls With Guns(song),a Lonely School, a Kiss Me Hello, a Outside In The Rain, a Little Girl World, or a Count On You on every Album, the very ROCK music that Tommy left the Band for that he was so full of and there was no outlet for it in Styx...

And JY's City Slicker and Raised By Wolves...Kind of funny how both Tommy and JY can base their solo music on the very same direction that they opposed of in Styx...

Bravo

by **ek88** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:29 am

How can the bands only number 1 song be the begining of the end

There are sure a lot of one-hit wonder bands that would probably have some strong feelings on this and how it ties into long term success.

They could have a Girls With Guns(song),a Lonely School, a Kiss Me Hello, a Outside In The Rain, a Little Girl World, or a Count On You on every Album, the very ROCK music that Tommy left the Band for that he was so full of and there was no outlet for it in Styx...

Good point, DeeJay. I've always scratched my head when considering Tommy's solo albums, especially taking into consideration the "no outlet" comment he made on BTM. I'd love to ask him for an explanation someday.

by **styxfanNH** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:16 am

OK, I'll agre I used "forced his way in" to make a point, but I figured Froy would have called me on it instead of accepting that point.

I think we all agree that when these guys were together they are at their best. And ALL of their solo careers were rather lackluster.

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:24 am

styxfanNH wrote:OK, I'll agre I used "forced his way in" to make a point, but I figured Froy would have called me on it instead of accepting that point.

I think we all agree that when these guys were together they are at their best. And ALL of their solo careers were rather lackluster.

Agreed....

DeeJay.....

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:39 am

ek88 wrote:
How can the bands only number 1 song be the begining of the end

There are sure a lot of one-hit wonder bands that would probably have some strong feelings on this and how it ties into long term success.

They could have a Girls With Guns(song),a Lonely School, a Kiss Me Hello, a Outside In The Rain, a Little Girl World, or a Count On You on every Album, the very ROCK music that Tommy left the Band for that he was so full of and there was no outlet for it in Styx...

Good point, DeeJay. I've always scratched my head when considering Tommy's solo albums, especially taking into consideration the "no outlet" comment he made on BTM. I'd love to ask him for an explanation someday.

Me too....It's a big time contradiction...

DeeJay....

by **kansas666** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:01 am

StyxfanNH wrote:
I think we all agree that when these guys were together they are at their best.

I prefer Cyclorama to Kilroy, Cornerstone or Brave New World. So, no I don't agree.

by **sadie65** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:30 am

kansas666 wrote:
StyxfanNH wrote:
I think we all agree that when these guys were together they are at their best.

I prefer Cyclorama to Kilroy, Cornerstone or Brave New World. So, no I don't agree.

Just curious, does your preferring Cyclorama also apply to Grand Illusion, Pieces of Eight or Paradise Theater?

by **bugsymalone** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:42 am

I prefer Cyclorama to Kilroy, Cornerstone or Brave New World. So, no I don't agree.

So this lineup of Styx is, in your opinion 666, the best? Or the lineup that made Cyclorama (different from the current one)?

I am surprised to hear that someone really thinks the best of Styx is Styx without Dennis. I know many are not fans of Dennis, but I have never heard anyone say they think the group produced the best music without him.

I think I took you to task on another thread about this, but, once again I ask, you only have one Styx album that you listen to, right? The one without Dennis on it. Because, according to you, you disagree with the statement StyxfanNH made, therefore, all albums made prior to Cyclorama were inferior to that recording.

Just curious --- like Sadie.

Bugsy

by **classicstyxfan** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:55 am

I think many here would agree they were at their best from around 1975-1981.

I KNOW that there is little or nothing we ALL can agree on :!:

by **kansas666** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:01 am

I don't think STYX was at their best when the released Kilroy, Cornerstone or Brave New World. STYX put out some great music IMO with Equinox-Pieces of Eight and Paradise Theater.

I think Cyclorama is a great album.

So the statement "we all agree that when these guys were together they are at their best. "

is not true. I do not agree.

by **yogi** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:47 am

Getting back to Walrus, could this remake enter the top 40?? Today, Is there such a thing as Kasey Kasins American Top 40?? How does a song enter the top 40, or go all the way to number 1.

Back in the day we would go to Target or elsewhere purchase the 45 and thats how they knew the top songs. What goes on today to determine the top songs?? I have NOOOOOO clue!!

by **sadie65** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:58 am

Yogi,

In terms of determining top 10 hits there are a whole lot of ways, however the way that is used by radio and the recording industry is through Radio and Records. The website is www.radioandrecords.com and every week it updates by format the top 20-40, how many "spins" the song received that week, new songs "going for adds", and a whole lot more info. IATW was listed on there once back in week of 11-5-04 as "going for adds". It has not been there since.

In terms of Internet chartting, that's a whole different story.

Hope that helped.

Sadie

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:09 am

Yogi says:

Getting back to Walrus, could this remake enter the top 40??

Yogi, I'm sorry to burst everyone's Walrus bubble, but no, the Walrus song will not make the Top 40 of the Billboard charts. It's a Classic Band making a remake of a Classic Song.

Last week it was actual on the air less than 100 times on less than 25 radio stations. Most of the spins were in overnights.

(Believe it or not, I do have sources in the radio industry. One of my best friends is a deejay for a popular radio station in Milwaukee - yes, it has to do with most of the facts that I've been posting) :wink:

I'm trying to get all my facts in writing so I can share with everyone on here. I'm still learning more about the charts too.

Sadie posted the link to the radio and records. That's the most accurate information on the internet. Dennis' "Hello God" charted a few times since it was released.

Dennis, JY, Tommy and Chuck have all said in the press the best time they had together for recording was for "Grand Illusion". I agree, I personally think it's the best Styx album, remember it's my opinion. :wink:

Have a GREAT day

by **kansas666** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:09 am

Walrus is getting a lot of spins in Madison WI. I heard it last night during drive time.

Whooo whooo!!!

by **Ash** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:52 pm

Monker wrote: When it became a huge hit, it became a direction they HAD to go to keep themselves up to the standards of their past success. So, you end up with a "Don't Let It End" and a "Show Me the Way" on every album.

You think it was with "babe" that they started producing Ballads? Styx would have never been launched without Lady... which is arguably a ballad. ANd that was on their second album. Then you had "As Bad As This"/"Plexiglas Toilet" which is slower (and stupid all at the same time). Then you have Christopher, Mr. Christopher on Man of Miracles. Then on Equinox we had "Lonely Child". THen on Crystal Ball we had Crystal Ball. Grand Illusion had Come Sail Away ( which was similar to Lady in structure if you listen to it )... and the closest thing on Pieces of Eight is "Sing For The Day"... but Pieces of Eight really has no "Ballads"....

Styx dumped Dennis because Styx wanted to tour and Dennis wouldn't and/or couldn't. They replaced him and toured anyway...so he sued them. After suing the band, why would ANYBODY ever expect Styx to bring him back?

I think you hit the nail on the head here... throw all the song content shit out the window... at the end of the day this is where the rubber meets the road... because despite all this, if Dennis had been well and went on tour, we'd not be talking about this today. (likely anyway). But at the same time, JY is being disingenuous by disrespecting Dennis and his talent... by saying Larry is "more" talented than the "other guy"... when in fact that "other guy" would likely still be in the band had he toured for Brave New World.

It's more likely Perry will join Journey then Styx will bring back Dennis. At least Perry didn't sue Journey.

Don't hold your breath... Perry has really no use for those guys anymore... and I don't think he needs the money (not that the other guys in Journey do... just making the point).

by **Panjandrum** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:32 am

Wasn't Walrus supposed to be released today on the iTMS? I've checked a few times, and nada. Have they changed the date?

by **Liz22562** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 6:43 am

No, that would be Tuesday, December 14, 2004 according to Styxworld.com!

by **styxfanNH** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 8:35 am

It was changed. iTunes delayed it a week to the 14th. Its not you.

by **Abitaman** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:24 am

I ahve not flipped thru all the post on this topic, but I do not know why everone is so pissed for. Styx has done covers before. Lies, and Not Dead Yet come to mind. And here just a year or two ago they recorded Queen's "We are the Champions/We Will Rock You" that was used in Super Bowl pregame show. All groups do it, Styx will too. And if it gets them back into the public's eye good, maybe they can sell a few copies of old and new cds to come. At least they do a good job of the covers (except on their first cd, not much was good on that one)-ERIC

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:06 am

Abitaman says:

I have not flipped thru all the post on this topic, but I do not know why everone is so pissed for.

Hey, I'm not "pissed" - LOL I'm very happy. :lol:

I personally don't like the Beatles music, no offense to all of you that do. If Dennis was singing Beatles music, no offense, but I'd probably wouldn't like it either. However, I was complaining about the Walrus video, it did seriously give me a headache I think due to all the colors and the music/song itself.

I don't mind when bands do cover songs. I personally like the new Goo Goo Dolls song "Give a Little Bit" that was done by Supertramp. I almost like that version better. I also like No Doubt's version of "It's My Life" better than the original. It's even up for a Grammy. In fact I think there are 3 COVER SONGS up for Grammy's this year - WOW!!

Kansas666 - yes, the Walrus song has been getting spins in Madison. I have a few Styx friends that request it all the time - LOL I think you know one of them from another board.

Have a GREAT day everyone - it's FRIDAY

MR

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