NEVER SAY NEVER... IS FROY RIGHT???

by **yogi** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:34 am

There is a GREAT article that can be downloaded today off of the Styxworld Website. The Article is titled "Shaw Still Rocking With Styx" I will print the last three paragraphs.
When asked the inevitable question about the potential for Deyoung to return to the band in the future Shaw chose his words carefully.
"I dont know of scenario where that would work for long term health of the band," he said noting that a federal lawsuit settled in the wake of Deyoungs departure is"one of the hardest things to get over".
"Were so happy now and I hope Dennis is happy doing what he is doing. I was always a fan of Dennis' voice and I hear great things about his shows", said Shaw, adding that"anyone who say 'never' is gonna be wrong."
WHAT DOES THIS SOUND LIKE??????????

by **sadie65** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 7:50 am

I myself don't read much into it. Sounds like he's pretty much saying that he and the rest of the lineup really don't want a reunion cuz there's still some pretty strong hard feelings between the men. The never say never, well, it's a way to dodge giving a final answer. I seriously doubt they will reunite, and as I've said before, I don't think it would be in anyone's best interest for them to do so. But that's just me. I think they are better off apart.

Sadie

by **maxell** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:11 am

never say never is a lot more promising than "when there playing hockey on the river styx".

I think Shaw is giving an inch here....

by **froy** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:21 am

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quote="sadie65"]I myself don't read much into it. Sounds like he's pretty much saying that he and the rest of the lineup really don't want a reunion cuz there's still some pretty strong hard feelings between the men. The never say never, well, it's a way to dodge giving a final answer. I seriously doubt they will reunite, and as I've said before, I don't think it would be in anyone's best interest for them to do so. But that's just me. I think they are better off apart.

Sadie

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Hold on just a damm second here Sadie.
You have no clue about hard feelings between these guys.
The fact is they have been through so much that a lawsuit is nothing.
Heck Shaw was doing coke in Dennis's house and they forgot about that.
Another thought is the payday .

A Dennis reunion means they headline again,

If Perry got back with Journey and these two toured together it would be a monster tour .

How could you say it would not be in the best intrest?
That is just so wrong.

It would be in the best intrest for everyone.
Dennis's show is blowing away Styx and they are probably tired of playing shitholes.

Also you don't know how long Gowan has copying Dennis .
He must be tired being a copycat.

I think the issue has always been more with JY the legend rather than with Shaw ,

Yogi sent me a video that was a 7 zens in store apperance in which Dennis showed up , These guys looked very happy together and the harmonies were great.

The only thing that would be the stopper would be the amount of shows , Dennis is good for 40 a year and that's about it ,
That would be 40 great shows instead of 100 budget laughable shows.

This is the move that they need to make and make right now ,
2005 is the year for this to happen and boys and girls it will happen
BET ON IT >

by **sadie65** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:46 am

Hey now. Yes they have been through a lot. My point is why would anyone want to get back together when there is so much bad blood between them. Would you want to step on a stage together knowing your bandmates don't want to be there with you? Regardless of finances, I think all these men are at a point in their lives where they don't want to compromise what they want. And all the more power to them. I think that while Tommy might consider it, JY would not. As for whether or not they would sell out, I think that time has honestly passed. All I was trying to say was that I think while there would be many fans who would enjoy a reunion, I don't think the men would.

Oh and I've seen the tape for Tommy's Borders shows that you refer to. Of course they looked chummy. Doesn't mean they were. And a federal lawsuit does change things for people.

Sadie

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:22 am

Did anyone see the video tape of Styx performing during the Children's Miracle Network? How do you think the tension was felt when they had already "kicked" Dennis out of the band and had Larry in it? Since Styx was already committed to perform as Styx with Dennis, the show went on as planned. I don't know how Dennis performed under those circumstances, but he did.

Jimmy (JY) has said Styx will never be "until they're playing hockey on the River Styx" and he also said "Elvis has more of a chance of getting back in this band" Here is that article from June 12, 2003:

http://www.freep.com/entertainment/name ... 030612.htm

Froy, as for your comment

Heck Shaw was doing coke in Dennis's house and they forgot about that.
Another thought is the payday .

Were you there? Is there any truth to this or just another internet rumor?

Here we go again with Styx and Journey, Journey and Styx, DeYoung and Perry, yada, yada, yada....

Far as I know, from what I read which is only 10% true anyway, that Steve Perry does NOT want to tour. I bet you Perryheads don't even know how MANY times STEVE PERRY has been approached into recording, appearances, reuniting with Journey and touring with other artists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, if Dennis was back in Styx you bet they would be headlining a tour!!

Dennis is getting great & positive reviews in every city that he has performed these past months. He's been making radio appearances and tv appearances, live in a PBS studio. The feedback has been positive.

How do you think it would be on the stage with all of them performing?

Of course I would love to see Styx reunite, just like most Classic Fans. But knowing how JY feels in "print" and seeing him on tv, I don't know if he'd ever let it happen.

I wish they'd get into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, but I doubt it would happen soon. Heck, they looked over Van Halen for this year.

by **froy** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:19 am

[quote="SuiteMadameBlue"]

Now hold on a damm minute MB

Just kidding .

As far as was I there for Shaw snorting coke in Dennis's house well just ask em he won't deny it .

The JRNY refrence was not meant for anything other than the comparison band I don't see Perry singing live ever again so that is a non issue
And a huge dream .

As far as them getting back together JY is the least relevant member
Heck they could replace him if he said no but I do not want them to do that . The guys just have to let it go and do it for the fans and the love of the music they once created . The setlist should be up for grabs .
No rules just play classic Styx .
there have been many bands who said never and farwell and we know how long that lasted . Anything can happen just keep asking for it .

by **piecesofeight** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:25 am

A few things went through my mind as I read what Shaw said and what you here have said.
I think anytime there has been buzz about "key" players being back together in a band that was so impacting, there is going to be interest. Reunions have always proven to be great, even more so after members have been fighting, lawsuits, slinging, etc....
I also believe that all the fans that are saying how much better they like Styx now, would be some to be first in line to get tickets.
Many never thought it would happen before, and it did. Many more are saying no way now......
Dennis had said before that he would get back into it with them, but I can't pin down the time frame on that right now. Who knows what he would say today?
They all SEEM to be happy with what they are doing right now as they, basically Shaw and DeYoung are doing exactly what they want. Maybe Dennis more than Tommy..?
Crazier things have happened, and it would be cool, even though even I enjoy Dennis' shows now and like him totally out front.
To take this a step further and even more into dream land. Dennis returns to Styx, Perry returns to Journey-how much do we think front row tickets would go for this..!?
Be cool if it happened, yet at this moment, I don't see it.
Shaw could be saying things in such a way to make anyone believe what they want to keep the interest?
As someone said before, these guys are getting up there. Dennis doesn't want to tour heavy, plus he likes being in charge of his life, music, shows, etc...in saying this, I could see another re-union type tour thing, maybe for a bit, but I do not see Dennis returning to Styx full time for a full fledge long tour.
I could see that as they all get older, they will get a bit softer, and there could be talk of another tour for the fans, but they each go back to doing what they are doing or want. That would be cool. If they could find enough peace to do what they want to do serperately, yet get together for some concerts for the band.
I don't see a record together because they are so far apart from styles. If would be even worse than BNW. Even if we didn't know that they produced the songs seperate on that, it's easy enough to tell. Dennis is more mellow and Tommy wants to rock, but not have it sound like classic Styx. That wouldn't sell much.
That's all I have for now! :roll:

by **ek88** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:14 pm

Dennis is more mellow and Tommy wants to rock, but not have it sound like classic Styx.

(Hey, pieces, I'm just quoting you left and right today

). I would love nothing more than to have a modern day album that sounds like classic Styx. That was the biggest disappointment when I first heard Brave New World. It's just too bad the three didn't work together, but of course, we've been through all this before.

by **atthistime** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:05 pm

Dennis did a Public Television concert with the Grand Rapids Symphony a few weeks back and he was in his glory. This is what I wish Perry would do, but I think that he values his private life too much and feels that he's been there and done that and will call it a day while he's ahead. The man is a main event wherever he appears and all he has to do is smile.
I don't think that the situation is the same with the two bands at all except for the fact that both bands are very diminished by not having the frontmen that brought them success. jmho

by **Guest** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:32 am

SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Did anyone see the video tape of Styx performing during the Children's Miracle Network? How do you think the tension was felt when they had already "kicked" Dennis out of the band and had Larry in it? Since Styx was already committed to perform as Styx with Dennis, the show went on as planned. I don't know how Dennis performed under those circumstances, but he did.

Is this really true??

by **sadie65** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:44 am

It is known that this was Dennis' last performance with the band, and tour plans had already been set. To that end, I would say only that Larry had been chosen to go on tour at that point.

Peace

by **bugsymalone** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:01 pm

Is this really true??

It was an absolutely unbelievable performance by Dennis. Knowing the circumstances made it extra tough to watch though.

Bugsy

by **froy** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:25 pm

sadie65 wrote:It is known that this was Dennis' last performance with the band, and tour plans had already been set. To that end, I would say only that Larry had been chosen to go on tour at that point.

Peace

And the killer is Gowan let it happen
He should have said you know what guys work this out
I do not belong interfering with such a great band
No instead the guy leaches and never stops
I say dump his ass and now/

by **froy** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:39 pm

I hope Dennis is happy doing what he is doing. I was always a fan of Dennis' voice and I hear great things about his shows", said Shaw, adding that"anyone who say 'never' is gonna be wrong."
WHAT DOES THIS SOUND LIKE??????????

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It sounds like Shaw knows Dennis's shows are better than his

by **styxfanNH** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:32 pm

yogi,
and what was the date of that article? Almost 2 years old if I remember correctly.

by **Ash** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:15 pm

Here's what irks me about this.

People act like Dennis is just sitting by the phone waiting for a call from Shaw. When at the same time, JY is out in interview after interview talking about how much "better" Larry is than Dennis and constantly picking open the old wounds.

If you want to know when DDY will be back in Styx, don't listen to Shaw.... listen to Dennis, or even listen to JY. If JY ever moderates his tone on Dennis or stops talking about it all together, then you will have something to get excited about.

But - then again, I really don't want to see it because I think DDY is doing a lot better now. He has what he wants - Tommy & JY have what they want. The only people unhappy..... well you all can do the math.

by **sadie65** » Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:20 pm

And isn't that what the majority of people here have been saying. That they don't think reuniting would be a good thing? By and large, most here have actually moved on and accepted what is and are happy with it...finally. A good thing. This only came out again because someone asked if this (CMN concert with Dennis when larry was already on board) had indeed happened.

I think we all do better when we accept what we know. That for now, these men are doing what they want and are okay with that.

Peace

by **swwskj** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:10 am

I think it is really funny how people think JY is holding up any potential reunion with Dennis. JY plain and simple needs either Dennis or Tommy to do ANYTHING. His solo albums bombed and as a solo act he would have a hard time filling anything other than a very very small venue. It is obvious that Tommy and Dennis have viable careers outside of Styx. JY does not. It is also obvious given the choice of Dennis or Tommy, JY would much rather have Tommy. But don't be fooled, JY needs Styx more than anyone.

Does anyone believe that if Tommy and Dennis patched things up and wanted to tour together that JY would leave Styx? Hell no! He'd do a 180 on all statements over the last 6 years and go grab his Dr. Righteous costume faster than you could say "Domo Arigato".

JY has bitched about the EOTC recording sessions and how Dennis demanded 'Total Control'. Yet he gave it to Dennis willingly. Hmmmm wasn't that the last time JY even sniffed the top ten? Break up the band again for a couple more years and Tommy comes back. Reunion tour follows and RTP goes gold. Didn't hear JY bitching then. The smack talk only started after it became obvious that Dennis was gone. The longer you go without Dennis and the more likely it is that he will never come back, the more personal the JY attacks become.

Don't you think that if you finally had the group "the way you wanted it" you'd be happy? I'd have a perma smile, but JY doesn't. Perhaps it's because it's not REALLY the way he wants it. If Styx went platinum with BBT, I bet he'd start to mellow. Just my $0.02.

Scott

by **bugsymalone** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:26 am

Re: Scott's post

Just my $0.02.

You nailed it, dude.

Bugsy

by **Abitaman** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 3:21 am

froy wrote:
sadie65 wrote:It is known that this was Dennis' last performance with the band, and tour plans had already been set. To that end, I would say only that Larry had been chosen to go on tour at that point.

Peace

And the killer is Gowan let it happen
He should have said you know what guys work this out
I do not belong interfering with such a great band
No instead the guy leaches and never stops
I say dump his ass and now/

I don't see how Larry let it happen. It's more like Shaw and JY let it happen-ERIC

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:04 am

Froy, you know that I think you're a GREAT guy, but Gowan really didn't have anything to do with this. If Gowan turned down the job, someone else would've taken it in a heartbeat. Gowan, Glen, Todd and Ricky Phillips are paid musicians, they really are (or was in Glen's case). I personally think they need this job to help pay their bills and put food on the table for their families and themselves. Going on the never-ending tour helps them out financially. Obviously (no offense to the Carrot Styx fans) the sales of the Carrot Styx album didn't help them financially or will help them in the future with their royalty checks.

Just my opinion

by **Guest** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:13 am

swwskj wrote:I think it is really funny how people think JY is holding up any potential reunion with Dennis. JY plain and simple needs either Dennis or Tommy to do ANYTHING. His solo albums bombed and as a solo act he would have a hard time filling anything other than a very very small venue. It is obvious that Tommy and Dennis have viable careers outside of Styx. JY does not. It is also obvious given the choice of Dennis or Tommy, JY would much rather have Tommy. But don't be fooled, JY needs Styx more than anyone.

Does anyone believe that if Tommy and Dennis patched things up and wanted to tour together that JY would leave Styx? Hell no! He'd do a 180 on all statements over the last 6 years and go grab his Dr. Righteous costume faster than you could say "Domo Arigato".

JY has bitched about the EOTC recording sessions and how Dennis demanded 'Total Control'. Yet he gave it to Dennis willingly. Hmmmm wasn't that the last time JY even sniffed the top ten? Break up the band again for a couple more years and Tommy comes back. Reunion tour follows and RTP goes gold. Didn't hear JY bitching then. The smack talk only started after it became obvious that Dennis was gone. The longer you go without Dennis and the more likely it is that he will never come back, the more personal the JY attacks become.

Don't you think that if you finally had the group "the way you wanted it" you'd be happy? I'd have a perma smile, but JY doesn't. Perhaps it's because it's not REALLY the way he wants it. If Styx went platinum with BBT, I bet he'd start to mellow. Just my $0.02.

Scott

Right on, Brotha!

by **classicstyxfan** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:17 am

"If Styx went platinum with BBT, I bet he'd start to mellow. Just my $0.02."

-Scott

Sorry Scott, I disagree.........If BBT somehow went platinum, JY would react exactly the opposite of your expectations. We'd here more of how "this is the best lineup ever", how they are more of a team than they were with "the former keyboard player" etc.

It would lead to a giant " I told you so" diatribe from Mr Young. IMO, he's more likely to mellow if the new lineup cant get any real momentum going in the next 1-2 years. I think it's put up or shut up time with BBT and the next Studio release of new original material.

by **swwskj** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:31 am

Classic,

Seeing as how you are a Mogul and outrank me, I will concede to your authority.

Scott

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:31 am

I sometimes wonder the possibility that they are going to get back together again in the future is one of the terms of the agreement of the lawsuit settlement that they are ordered not to discuss and the negativity in the past interviews is a smoke screen.... :?:

(Just a thought)....

DeeJay....

by **sadie65** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:32 am

DeeJaySTYX wrote:I sometimes wonder the possibility that they are going to get back together again in the future is one of the terms of the agreement of the lawsuit settlement that they are ordered not to discuss and the negativity in the past interviews is a smoke screen.... (Just a thought)....

DeeJay....

No one could ever accuse you of not having a vivid imagination :wink:

by **DeeJaySTYX** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:57 am

sadie65 wrote:
DeeJaySTYX wrote:I sometimes wonder the possibility that they are going to get back together again in the future is one of the terms of the agreement of the lawsuit settlement that they are ordered not to discuss and the negativity in the past interviews is a smoke screen.... (Just a thought)....

DeeJay....

No one could ever accuse you of not having a vivid imagination

I wouldn't have it any other way.... :wink:

DeeJay...

by **Guest** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:05 am

It will happen when Tommy and JY realize that this incarnation of the band has run it's course.

I doubt they'll ever record again however I could see a final farewell tour.

by **Adam** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:36 am

I've ALWAYS said it's really just about money. And when the time is right - either JY/Shaw or DDY feel it's worth it to put up with each other - I also expect SOME kind of appearance...but who knows when, we'll see...it ain't like these guys are getting any younger...

MR

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