Perry's voice on David Pack's new song.......SAD

[heardonthestreet]

Some may find his vocals limited because of their unreasonal expectations of him, but others do not find him limited because they do not expect, or want him, at this stage, to sound like he did all those years ago. Been there, done that. He's like a fine wine now. It's too bad that some of you couldn't grow beyond the high notes. Your loss.

[perryfaithful]

Some may find his vocals limited because of their unreasonal expectations of him, but others do not find him limited because they do not expect, or want him, at this stage, to sound like he did all those years ago. Been there, done that. He's like a fine wine now. It's too bad that some of you couldn't grow beyond the high notes. Your loss.

Yes Hots....and they probably could and would, BUT there is a different agenda going on here!

I never look back and wish Perry sounded like he did during Infinity. I thought it was cool then....doesn't excite me now. BUT I respect that part of their history and still enjoy listening to it with that in mind. Things change...thank Goodness

If Journey had continued as I know it, there would have been more hits to love and they would have not been at a ball wrenching range. Times have changed. Do you hear the NEW stuff requiring some of this "range" that you all like to clamor about?" Wait....wasn't that important?

[NealIsGod]

HOTS, everyone here has said they will buy whatever music Perry puts out. We just don't think it will be rock, which is fine. We understand his voice has matured, changed, whatever word you want to use. We still respect his talent. You are the one who is losing out by not giving Journey a chance without Perry...

[Rockindeano]

BUT there is a different agenda going on here!

Haha. You are shitting me right? "WE" the good guys don't have agendas..we speak what we think to be the truth. It's YOU who ALWAYS have AGENDAS.


Not one person here "Bashes" Steve perry. Like Nealisgod said, we all will buy his CD if he ever puts one out.. We don't sit back and craft an agenda for the joyful purpose of pissing people off.

[Rockindeano]

Serious question-

What is Steve perry's real name?

[mamos]

I love Steve's voice on everything I have ever heard TBF, FTLOSM included. Yes his voice has changed and his range appears to have diminished.

But he still has one of the most distinctive and emotive voices EVER.

But Like some of the over posters if the choice were to be made I'll take Journey as they are and a slim chance of Steve Perry doing another solo album of some kind.

[jrnyman28]

Then your idea of "limited" is a change of range. Be specific!

How much more specific do I need to be. That is EXACTLY how Perry's voice is limited.

I love the way the little group here keeps worrying about range as if that was all that made a singer a star''

Not worried about it at all. He can still sing well...in his range, which is less range than he used to have.

And actually? Who has heard him sing any of those songs needing "range" lately? to know if he really can't do it? You know, the SONGS you all say you are sick of and want replaced with new Journey stuff.

The FTLOSM Tour...he sang all the Journey hits during that tour. And they were all lower. Did I have a good time anyway? Hell yeah! He is a great performer. And he can still use his voice masterfully...just NOT IN THE SAME RANGE.

Oh....so now why is Perry's "range" important?

It isn't to me. But YOU sure seem defensive about it...

[jrnyman28]

I hope your ass looks that good at 62 Rock.....

Show me

What does THAT have to do with singing ability?
And you want to see Deano's ass???

[jrnyman28]

Some may find his vocals limited because of their unreasonal expectations of him,

I do not have (the word is) unreasonable expectations of Perry. I have NO expectations of Perry. But his vocals ARE limited. He cannot use them the same way he used to. But he still uses what he has VERY well.

but others do not find him limited because they do not expect, or want him, at this stage, to sound like he did all those years ago.

That does not change the fact that they ARE limited from what they used to be. Just because it is 'natural' or 'realistic' or 'maturity' or 'age' or whatever, does not erase the limitation.

Been there, done that. He's like a fine wine now. It's too bad that some of you couldn't grow beyond the high notes. Your loss.

How many times do I have to say this....It is NOT all about the range. The range ONLY shows his limitation. What he does with what he has is stellar.

As for "our loss"...there is no loss since Perry is NOT singing anyway! That is ALL OUR LOSS! It is a shame that he chooses not to sing leads publicly anymore. Hopefully that will change...but it seems unlikely.

[Rockindeano]

Steve Augeri, maybe not a star, but he is performing to thousands nightly

that makes him a regular working stiff

Thank God for that!!

[NealIsGod]

I thought being INactive made you stiff?

[Rockindeano]

HOTS, PF..you want to see my ass, send me your email then. I will gladly let you see it..I have a few versions too. Just send over the email

In fact, if I can and the members agree, I will post my ass on here as my sig.

[NealIsGod]

Dude, we love you, we really do. Just not THAT much...

[mamos]

NealIsGod wrote:

HOTS, everyone here has said they will buy whatever music Perry puts out. We just don't think it will be rock, which is fine. We understand his voice has matured, changed, whatever word you want to use. We still respect his talent. You are the one who is losing out by not giving Journey a chance without Perry...

I'm with you all the way. I would buy anything Steve chose to release. But you've got to give Journey NOW a chance.

[jrnyman28]

I never look back and wish Perry sounded like he did during Infinity. I thought it was cool then....doesn't excite me now. BUT I respect that part of their history and still enjoy listening to it with that in mind. Things change...thank Goodness

I actually agree.

If Journey had continued as I know it, there would have been more hits to love... Times have changed.

Times HAVE changed, so much so that you cannot guarentee that Journey would have ANY more success today if Perry were still in the band. In fact, it is possible and likely that Journey would NOT BE HERE AT ALL had Perry stayed in the band.

Do you hear the NEW stuff requiring some of this "range" that you all like to clamor about?" Wait....wasn't that important?

Yes, I DO hear some range on "Generations" that I believe Perry would not be able to pull off today. Is it important? No, but it sounds DAMN good to my ears. Maybe you wouldn't ask such frivolous questions if you actually HEARD the material BEFORE commenting on it.

[jrnyman28]

HOTS, everyone here has said they will buy whatever music Perry puts out. We just don't think it will be rock, which is fine. We understand his voice has matured, changed, whatever word you want to use. We still respect his talent. You are the one who is losing out by not giving Journey a chance without Perry...

Ding Ding Ding...We HAVE a winner!!

[Rockindeano]

Dude, we love you, we really do. Just not THAT much...

Homophobe.

[Monker]

He's like a fine wine now.

And, like any wine that ages past its usefulness, it turned to vinegar.

It's too bad that some of you couldn't grow beyond the high notes. Your loss.

It's definitely not mine, I don't want another FTLOSM, mediocre piece of garbage. Perry has more problems then just his range. He turned his back on his own influences and instead turned to pop garbage. He forgot how to write great songs, and he lost the band that put him on top. He was obviously over the hill with FTLOSM, He was at the bottom with GH+5. His solo stuff is an insignificant pebble when compared to the mountain of qulaity music of Journey....Why do you think HE milks the Journey name by doing things like the Monster soundtrack and the DVD's, instead of recording new solo stuff? He knows where his solo career stands, and it's not in a good place.

Steve Perry being a 'star' in the music biz is long over. It was over as soon as he released "I Stand Alone", and it went nowhere. The pop crap he wants to write and sing is no longer what the public wants to hear...especialy from a 60something year old man.

It's over for Perry...It's been over for about ten years.

[perryfaithful]

In fact, it is possible and likely that Journey would NOT BE HERE AT ALL had Perry stayed in the band.

Do you hear the NEW stuff requiring some of this "range" that you all like to clamor about?" Wait....wasn't that important?

Yes, I DO hear some range on "Generations" that I believe Perry would not be able to pull off today. Is it important? No, but it sounds DAMN good to my ears. Maybe you wouldn't ask such frivolous questions if you actually HEARD the material BEFORE commenting on it.

Sorry Dave but I would not be suffering if Journey were not here at all.....

As for listening to Generations, I have been to a few of the clips, I am not sure I am up to date on all of them. Rather enjoyed some

[PROPERRY]

He's like a fine wine now.

And, like any wine that ages past its usefulness, it turned to vinegar.

It's too bad that some of you couldn't grow beyond the high notes. Your loss.

It's definitely not mine, I don't want another FTLOSM, mediocre piece of garbage. Perry has more problems then just his range. He turned his back on his own influences and instead turned to pop garbage. He forgot how to write great songs, and he lost the band that put him on top. He was obviously over the hill with FTLOSM, He was at the bottom with GH+5. His solo stuff is an insignificant pebble when compared to the mountain of qulaity music of Journey....Why do you think HE milks the Journey name by doing things like the Monster soundtrack and the DVD's, instead of recording new solo stuff? He knows where his solo career stands, and it's not in a good place.

Steve Perry being a 'star' in the music biz is long over. It was over as soon as he released "I Stand Alone", and it went nowhere. The pop crap he wants to write and sing is no longer what the public wants to hear...especialy from a 60something year old man.

It's over for Perry...It's been over for about ten years.

Monker,

The reason Steve Perry did the Monster soundtrack was because he said he recieved a letter ASKING HIM to use the song for the movie, & then became more involved with helping out with the music in the movie.

As for the DVD Greatest Hits,THE FANS have been ASKING for the classic DVD's for a very long time. It was said by Perry that John Koladner called him & ASKED HIM to help out with the DVD projects, so Steve Perry is NOT milking the Journey name. He is giving the fans what they want!!!

As for your other comments, Steve Perry can sing ANY KIND of music HE WANTS to & I would buy it!!!

The ONLY thing that I wish was "over" is your tiresome unkind remarks about Steve Perry!


Lori

[jrnyman28]

Sorry Dave but I would not be suffering if Journey were not here at all.....

Nothing to be sorry about. And I never implied that you would. But it still brings to mind the question of WHY you spend your time on a Journey board if you do not about Journey anymore?

As for listening to Generations, I have been to a few of the clips, I am not sure I am up to date on all of them. Rather enjoyed some

Which ones did you enjoy? And what would you say was the most enjoyable aspect of the clips you heard?

[jrnyman28]

Monker,

The reason Steve Perry did the Monster soundtrack was because he said he recieved a letter ASKING HIM to use the song for the movie, & then became more involved with helping out with the music in the movie.

As for the DVD Greatest Hits,THE FANS have been ASKING for the classic DVD's for a very long time. It was said by Perry that John Koladner called him & ASKED HIM to help out with the DVD projects, so Steve Perry is NOT milking the Journey name. He is giving the fans what they want!!!

As for your other comments, Steve Perry can sing ANY KIND of music HE WANTS to & I would buy it!!!

The ONLY thing that I wish was "over" is your tiresome unkind remarks about Steve Perry!


Lori

Lori, the fact that Perry agreed to these projects (especially since he knows he will financially benefit from them) could be considered 'milking' the Journey name. But Monker's point was that you do see Perry doing any projects based on his solo work. (And he was also hinting at the point that many Perry-only fans have accused Journey of milking their own name.

And Monker's remarks are only 'unkind' because you do not agree with them.

[perryfaithful]

In fact, if I can and the members agree, I will post my ass on here as my sig.

What the Hell.....that may be the most exciting thing going down here. Hit it Deano!

[PROPERRY]

Monker,

The reason Steve Perry did the Monster soundtrack was because he said he recieved a letter ASKING HIM to use the song for the movie, & then became more involved with helping out with the music in the movie.

As for the DVD Greatest Hits,THE FANS have been ASKING for the classic DVD's for a very long time. It was said by Perry that John Koladner called him & ASKED HIM to help out with the DVD projects, so Steve Perry is NOT milking the Journey name. He is giving the fans what they want!!!

As for your other comments, Steve Perry can sing ANY KIND of music HE WANTS to & I would buy it!!!

The ONLY thing that I wish was "over" is your tiresome unkind remarks about Steve Perry!


Lori

Lori, the fact that Perry agreed to these projects (especially since he knows he will financially benefit from them) could be considered 'milking' the Journey name. But Monker's point was that you do see Perry doing any projects based on his solo work. (And he was also hinting at the point that many Perry-only fans have accused Journey of milking their own name.

And Monker's remarks are only 'unkind' because you do not agree with them.

Jrnyman,

Neal, Jon, Ross & Steve Smith) ALL benefit financially from the projects too, NOT just Steve Perry.

And of course, I disagree with Monker, as I said Perry was ASKED to do these projects. He didn't set out on his own to do the projects, he was brought in by others that asked him to help with the projects.


Lori

[jrnyman28]

Jrnyman,

Neal, Jon, Ross & Steve Smith) ALL benefit financially from the projects too, NOT just Steve Perry.

Lori

Right, but Perry controls the issue. If he says YES it gets done, if he says NO it doesn't.

[Marabelle]

if you give up the power than you have no one to blame but yourself.
they know or knew or still know what kind of person steve is and i've heard the arguments on both sides but you do what you have to do and
whatever side of the line you are on is the line you're going to live behind.
it's business and no one has ever accused steve of not having a moducm
of intelligence and business accumen

[PROPERRY]

Jrnyman,

Neal, Jon, Ross & Steve Smith) ALL benefit financially from the projects too, NOT just Steve Perry.

Lori

Right, but Perry controls the issue. If he says YES it gets done, if he says NO it doesn't.

The guys ALL had a say in the music they wanted on the DVD. I recall Perry saying that John Koladner was in contact with them, during the time the Greatest Hits DVD was being made. I think the band members were also contacted about the song being used in the Monster movie too.



Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

Steve Augeri, maybe not a star, but he is performing to thousands nightly

that makes him a regular working stiff

Such a nasty, vitriolic, hate-filled little girl.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yes Hots....and they probably could and would, BUT there is a different agenda going on here!

Oh lord, here she goes again with her "conspiracy theory" bullshit.

Do you hear the NEW stuff requiring some of this "range" that you all like to clamor about?"

Yes I do.
In fact, I'd say the majority of Journey's songs on "Generations" Steve Perry could not pull off.

Wait....wasn't that important?

Why don't you wait before answering your own posed questions?

[jrnyman28]

The guys ALL had a say in the music they wanted on the DVD. I recall Perry saying that John Koladner was in contact with them, during the time the Greatest Hits DVD was being made. I think the band members were also contacted about the song being used in the Monster movie too.



Lori

Actually, yes, you are correct. If Journey said NO then the project would not get done either.

But it seems that Journey would love to have lots of product out there for their fans, and Perry is the one who stands in the way. I am grateful for the GH DVD Perry worked on, but I think it could have been a LOT better. And it was Perry who basically had control of the Live 2001 DVD, which could have been a LOT better as well. All I meant was that Journey would love to give their fans all this material, but Perry still holds the reigns in getting it done.

And ultimately, with the GH DVD, Perry chose the songs and footage and JDK asked Journey if it was OK. I do not think Journey would have been able to suggest other songs or footage. It was not a "collaboration". But that is just the impression I got from hearing what JDK and Journey had to say about it.